Showing posts with label PCGS. Show all posts
Showing posts with label PCGS. Show all posts

Wednesday, November 7, 2018

11/7/18 Report - Two Mounted Gold Coin Finds. Some Notes On The Handling, Care, and Grading of Coins.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Twenty Dollar Double Eagle Found by Sebastian Steve
Who Had It Mounted.
Yesterday I posted part of an email message I received from Sebastian Steve.  Today I'll post more of the same message along with some photos Steve sent.  The double eagle shown above was originally posted back a while ago hanging on an antique champagne bottle.  I snipped it from that photo.

Here is the rest of what Steve had to say.


I found a nice picture today that I was looking for.  This pic was of the big gold, the 1860’s $20 Double Eagle (Shown above.) that  I recovered from a deep,  Lakes Passenger Steamer back in the late 1970s. 

I used to wear it on special occasion....but with the chain and bezel, the weight was over 3 ounces!  The wife said...”Far too heavy for me, but I’ll wear one of those English Sovereign’s (similar in size and weight to our $5 gold piece).

And so I mounted an 1832 Sovereign for her.  How fitting her request.  As this Sovereign was my very first gold coin I ever recovered!   I recall the day I recovered this coin, although almost half a century ago... like it were yesterday!  Because this coin showed wear, it was suitable for me to make a decision to use this particular coin mounted in jewelry.  It’s a decision that must be made with care.  More later on this...

And my wife still wears that first Sovereign even today for special occasions.  (:


1832 English Sovereign
Find and photos by Sebastian Steve.
Same 1832 English Sovereign.
Although the Sovereign is almost pure gold (22 Karat), and contains 0.23 ounces of pure gold (just shy of a quarter ounce) gold coins -always- needed a hardening agent added such as copper.  Otherwise the wear in normal circulation would be quite excessive and unacceptable.  The English Sovereign was actually used extensively in this country... early on.  Our U.S. coinage was somewhat untrusted when a new issue, and was in short supply.  Now the Sovereign was a known, respected coin that often came over with the settlers.  And a practical size for regular transactions of somewhat size.  After all...$5 of gold in the 1850s...era...still brought home the bacon. 

And there was in fact counterfeiting going on even in the 1860s already.  I had one particular U.S. $1 One Dollar gold piece... (try to pick up one of these with big dry suit mitts!) that just seemed far darker than the others. 

Sure enough at NGC grading, when chatting in the office of the President of N.G.C., in Sarasota... he hauls out my -Counterfeit- $1 gold piece!  Interestingly... as a preeminent grading firm, that was his “cup of tea” to show history and how they could tell the coin was not real.  (Without the darkness from not being real gold, it looked pretty good to my untrained eyes).  And we worked out a deal with some other business, so that my $1 Counterfeit would remain in N.G.C., permanent collection!  I was thrilled to hear I made history in a small way. 

Allow me to comment on coins and coin grading.  Everyone thinks they have a sure fire way to get a coin re-graded and up its grading a point.  As I mentioned...1 point on a valuable coin can be $10,000.  But EVERY COIN has its own set of markings.  The slightest rub, the tiniest scratch, and firms like NGC...use microscopes on each and every coin of value that they grade. 

Coins and their particular identity become very obvious and recorded forever...with microscopic pictures taken while under the lens...that are archived forever.  So if your buddy told you to “crack it out of the case” and re-submit it...you’re just wasting your time and money.  AND you might just get yourself a bad reputation. 

The serious coin world is very small and everyone knows each other.  And that is actually very good for you.  For with today’s grading system...no shark will ever skin you with an over-rated, over graded coin, sold  “in his opinion.” at a grade far in excess of its actual grade.  If you’re buying for investment...insist on buying ONLY ENCAPSULATED GRADED COINS, GRADED BY ONLY N.G.C. or P.C.G.S.  Sure there are a few other reputable firms...but why take the chance?  Only to have your spouse or other loved one years later have trouble getting top dollar for your coins!  Why risk it?  Back to the deep we go...

When I first saw the $20 Double Eagle outline laying on some boards on the lake bottom next to the wreck...I had no idea what it was!  In the swirling mud, I attempted to pick up this very large coin with difficulty... thinking “something was holding it...like it was glued down?” 

I said to myself...this must be some type of State Fair or Inaugural Token?  So big and heavy...what else could it be?  It was somewhat dirty but still had that unmistakable look of gold.  Not until I reached my first decompression stop coming up at 20 feet, did I get to peek into my bag and realize what I had!  Even that one coin sagged the big diver’s bag down in the corner!  Thank God there were no rips or holes in the bag!!!  Something like that could absolutely ruin your day!!!  (;

And there it was...the coin of legend...the famous often read about, but rarely ever seen or held...the U.S. $20 Double Eagle.  1 ounce of gold.  Very close in size to the silver dollar.  Rarely even used in everyday trade as seen all too often in the old Westerns.  The $20 Double Eagle, Civil War era...would have bought you a down payment on a good house!  So in reality...these coins were mainly used for international trade between bankers.

These $20 Double Eagle coins was produced in response to the immense gold finds coming out of California.  The result of the initial rich finds were the beginning of The California Gold Rush.  So much so...that in 1854...the U.S. built a branch mint in San Francisco, to convert the miners gold into coins.  By the end of that year...the San Francisco Mint had produced $4,084,207 in gold coinage!  What an exciting time to be alive!???

And yes...gold does bring a smile to your face, but all the other shipwreck artifacts if studied and shared, bring more joy and history come to life... than any one gold coin.


Thanks once again Steve!

Someone sent me an email and asked why the mercury dime from the Sedwick auction that I posted a few days ago brought such a high price when a mercury dime with the same date/mint was listed on eBay for much less.  What Steve had to say is relevant.

Of course condition is extremely important.  A coin in excellent condition can bring a thousand times more than the same date/mint in poor condition.  In fact a valuable coin in very poor condition can be worthless.  As Steve points out, a single scratch can reduce the value tremendously.

An encapsulated graded coin will bring a higher price.  Buyers feel confident knowing what they are getting.

Sometimes there is simply an eye-appeal factor.  Some coins just look better.  They might have an especially nice patina, for example.

And there are a lot of counterfeits and poorly, if not inaccurately, described items on eBay.

I've dabbled in coin collecting lately, and have mentioned how difficult it is to find a coin on a beach that will delight a purist collector of U. S. coins.  Most coin collectors are very picky and prefer coins in as close to mint condition as possible.  They wear gloves when handling their coins.  They view them under magnification.  That means every bit of corrosion and every scratch is taken into account.  The majority of coins that I've found on salt water beaches are ruined as far as collectors are concerned.  I have found a few that would be graded as uncirculated, but those are very rare.  I even found one that was in a plastic case that protected it from the salt water.

Thankfully Spanish colonial reales seem to be regarded differently.  While it is the general rule that you should not clean valuable coins, silver cobs are routinely cleaned using electrolysis or acid.  Of course if you manage to find a rare mint-state reale that has never been circulated or spent years on a salt water beach, handle it with kid gloves, but most have already led a tough life and a little handling or proper cleaning won't hurt them.  In fact, you will often have to clean them to simply find out what you have.

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On the Treasure Coast we are still having some nice high tides, however the surf is still running around two or three feet.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Saturday, May 5, 2018

5/5/18 Report - What The Beaches Are Doing. Comments On Getting Coins Graded.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Blind Creek Beach Saturday Morning
There is a bit of a dip up to the north.  Not too long ago this beach was eroded way back to the dunes.

Same Photo As Above.
Here is the same photo, but the orange line shows where it was eroded to not too long ago.  The blue line shows a bit of a dip that remained as of Saturday morning.  A lot of sand has accumulated since it was eroded back to the dunes (orange line).

Walton Rocks Beach Saturday Morning.
Walton Rocks looked very much like Blind Creek.  Notice all the sea weed on both.

Frederick Douglas Beach Saturday Morning.
Frederick Douglas, as you might expect, looked very similar to John Brooks.

Surf At Frederick Douglas Beach Saturday Morning.

There were the remains of some small old cuts at Frederick Douglas and John Brooks, but they were nothing exciting.
Fort Pierce South Jetty Beach Saturday Morning.
The biggest fresh cuts that I saw this morning were at Fort Pierce South Jetty. The one above was near two feet high.

Sand Dredge Boat About To Enter Fort Pierce Inlet.
The sand renourishment project continues at Fort Pierce South Jetty beach.  

Overall, I didn't see anything very exciting.  I detected a few minutes at Fort Pierce South Jetty and picked up a deep coin line.

By the way, I've noticed that the term "coin line" is being used all the time now.  Can anyone tell me where that term appeared in a publication prior to 2008?  I don't think you'll find it before that.

The people that write the books these days read everything else they can find and then use it as their own without giving any kind of credit.

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I watched a little of Bigfoot: The New Evidence, a new TV series, but gave up on it pretty quickly.  Its too much like Curse of Oak Island but I think Bigfoot might be found first. 

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I asked about coin grading the other day and got this excellent email from Bill K.


Ive had some of my personal coins graded and now use PCGS exclusively. When grading services first got started it was primarily ANACS............but........PCGS now dominates the arena. Turn around time is reasonable and cost for high grade coins is almost a must. I learned this lesson many years ago when I went to a local coin shop and purchased a $10.00 Indian gold coin the dealer insisted was "uncirculated". But, when I got it back from the grading service it was graded MS 55. This was a lot less valuable that what I had paid for an uncirculated coin (MS 60 is considered uncirculated)

One nice thing is that a PCGS MS 65 listed for sale that is "slabbed" (in the plastic sealed case) is pretty much an MS 65 wherever you go. At that point it may get down to eye appeal.........for example a MS 65 1916 D Mercury dime may be a bright silver but some may be "toned" (have a blue on it) My good friend only collects toned coins where I would only get bright coins even though both would grade MS 65

Some people have returned PCGS coins back to PCGS and had them re certified and you will see the little green CACsticker affixed.

Bill

Thanks Bill!

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I'm not expecting any big changes in beach conditions in the next few days.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Tuesday, December 2, 2014

12/2/14 Report - PCGS Top 100 Modern Coins, Century of Gold & Silver Prices, National Geographic's 10 Fascinating Metal Detector Finds


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.BlogSpot.com.
Hundred Years of Gold and Silver Prices.
Source: http://www.macrotrends.net/1333/gold-and-silver-prices-100-year-historical-chart
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One of the pages provided by the Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) web site, is a page showing what they consider to be the top one hundred modern era coins.

Here is the intro.   The modern coin era began in America in 1965, the first year the U.S. Mint produced copper-nickel "clad" coins as replacement for silver coins, ending an unbroken, 173 year tradition. For many collectors, this was the death-knell for collecting, as the coins would no longer have any intrinsic value and mintages would be huge. Collectors perceived the modern coinage as a vast desert of ultra-common, mundane, unattractive and boring coins. So without further adieu, here is the TOP 100 MODERN COINS.

http://www.pcgs.com/top100/details.aspx

While many of those are so rare there is very little hope of finding one, some are possible.  It is always good to be aware of coins that could be worth considerable more than face value. 

Really inspecting coin finds can add both fun and value to the hobby of metal detecting.

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Gold prices moved sharply lower Tuesday, giving back nearly half of the prior session’s gains and returning to below $1,200 an ounce.

Gold for February delivery dropped $18.70, or 1.5%, to end at $1,199.40 an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange

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If you want to get the most out of your gold finds you need to sell at the best times.  The price of both gold and silver has varied widely over the last hundred years.  (See chart above.).  Silver has gone up and down pretty much along with gold and both have huge spikes that would be very difficult to time.

In the early eighties the Hunt brothers monopolized the silver market.  You can see on the chart how it peaked at over $110 per ounce and then plummeted to around $15 dollars an ounce.  Few people that ride an investment to a peak are able to sell while prices are still high.

Over the last few decades the price of gold has been a really wild ride.

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Here is National Geographics list of 10 fascinating metal detector finds.  You won't want to miss this.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/articles/10-fascinating-amateur-metal-detector-finds/

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It looks like we'll be having a somewhere around a four to six foot surf for a few days on the Treasure Coast.  The trouble is that the wind will be mostly out of the East.  I'm not expecting any real improvement in beach detecting conditions for a few days.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@Comcast.net