Saturday, March 25, 2017

3/25/17 Report - What's It All About? Finds That Take You Back To Another Place and Time. American Carbonator and American Bottler. Subsiding Surf.


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Sometimes in my dreams, I'm pretty smart.  Last night I dreamed I was in a big room, maybe like an airport terminal, and I saw a couple players from the 1970s Steelers football teams sitting on a long airport terminal-like bench.  They were older in the dream, like they are now in real life.  One I recognized, and the other one had a beard, and, I didn't know who it was, but maybe it was Jack Ham.

Just like in real life, it was fun to see them , and they said something like, why do people make such a big deal over us. And in more words and detail than I'm giving now, I explained to them that seeing them takes people back to another time and place. Seeing them takes people back to a time when families gathered around the TV after dinner to watch the game.  The kids were small and sat on the floor.  Dad, who is no longer with us, sat in his easy chair.  We were all together, just like the rest of the local community, watching, cheering, sharing.

We shared it, and that is what made it so special.  We talked about it.  We said things like, "Remember when Lynn Swann made that leaping catch that beat the Cowboys in 1975."  We watched the game, but what was going on was bigger than the game.  It was about that time and place in our lives.

The game was replayed and replayed and talked about and talked about, and is still talked about today.  I saw it on TV replayed just two days ago.  That keeps it fresh.  The memory of the game is refreshed each time I see it or hear about it and it serves as a strong marker in my memory that takes me back to another time and place in my life.

(By the way, I did see Lynn Swann in the Orlando airport one time, which I think is one small thing that contributed to how the dream came together.)

The game and the players were center stage, but the game wasn't the important thing. The game was something I shared with those who were there with me at that time and place in life.

OK, so what does that have to do with metal detecting?

On 3/22 I did a post on public services provided by detectorists.  I easily and quickly ran through quite a few examples.  They were all from a relatively short time span, maybe thirty years ago.  I don't exactly know the date or even the year, but I remember the events.  Each one involved me and at least one other person.  They weren't family events.  My wife was there for some of them, and I told her about others shortly after they happened.  But when I did the post, I shared those events with a few hundred more people.

I don't remember the found object in any detail for even one case.  I don't remember what the keys, eye glasses or even the expensive engagement ring looked like.  I do remember the object and why it was important to somebody.  And I remember the interaction that took place.  I remember when they asked me to look for it and when I gave it back to them.  And I remember the feeling.  I remember what each person did and the emotions when each person got their lost item back, and how I felt after that.  I only remember the objects for their function and what they meant to somebody.

We talk about finds.  We marvel over finds.  We think about finds.  But in the end, it isn't all about the objects.  It is about experiences, interactions, and feelings.  Long after the objects have tarnished or been sold or put away, the sum total of the experiences will remain in who you are.  And when you take out some old find or just think back about it, you'll be transported back for at least a few seconds to another place and time in your life.

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In the process of conducting research on the Stuart Bottling Works I located a great resource that you might find interesting, especially if you are interested in old bottles or sodas.  It is a Google Books copy of the American Carbonator and American Bottler.  Here is the title as it appeared in the 1905 publication.


If you browse through that journal you'll find tons of interest.  The ads are great.

Below is one showing a Hutch bottle stopper.



And here are some items used to clean bottles.  Bottles back then were reused.  

If you are old enough, maybe you remember looking for bottles which you could return to the store and receive a couple of pennies. I remember doing that.  

Those bottles had to be cleaned well before being reused.



Click here if you want to browse that journal.


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The Treasure Coast surf predictions for today are now 4 - 6 feet.  That is a touch smaller than predicted earlier.

Yesterday  the wind shifted once to a more southernly direction, but it didn't last long. Most of the day it was pretty much an east wind.  This morning it is a little more from the south again.

I'm not expecting much at this point, but I'll try to check around a bit later.  I think that there is one or two spots that might open a little.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net



Friday, March 24, 2017

3/24/17 Report - Treasure Coast Beach Metal Detecting Conditions Update



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Wabasso Beach This Morning.
Not cuts here.

Looking North From Seagrape Trail Access This Morning

No cuts here either.

Looking South From Turtle Trail Access

No cuts here either.  The bags were deeply buried and the dip that was down by the second flag pole a few days ago was now gone.

As you can see, there was seaweed at all of these beaches.

Rough Surf Breaking In Front of John Brooks Beach This Morning.

One to Two Foot Cut at  John Brooks Beach This Morning.

The slope was fairly steep and also mushy.

The beach here has been cutting every time a front comes through and then filling again as soon as the wind shifts.  Any opportunities have been short-lived.

John Brooks Beach This Morning.

You can see from the above photo that the high tide came up over the cut and washed back on the beach a little ways.

Conditions might have been a touch better before that happened.

Although John Brooks beach was cut, detecting conditions weren't very good.  I'm keeping my beach conditions rating as a 1 (poor).

At this point, I'm not expecting much.  The waves are hitting straight on.

Overall the bigger surf didn't do much for us because of the direction of the wind.  Back when I saw this coming in the predictions, I said that the best chance might actually be during the smaller surf.  It appears that my guess wasn't far off.

You can probably find some better hunting at places where there are obstacles such as rocks or sea walls.

You'll have to hunt them out.

That's all for now.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net



Thursday, March 23, 2017

3/23/17 Report - Mystery Pillar Dollar Recently Found on Florida Beach. Bigger Surf Today.


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Find by Daniel M.
Daniel M. found this coin.  He said that if it is real it is the first time he found anything that old on a SW Florida beach.

The date is obvious enough, but what is that mark between the two threes?

Dan tested it and found it to be silver.  He is still unsure if it is genuine.


Other Side of Same Coin.

The legend reads "REX PHILIP V D G HISPAN ET IND."

The mint mark is F for Feipe Rivas Angulo, assayer from 1730 to 1733.

It is from the Mexico mint.  You can see the mint mark (o over M) on either side of the date in the top photo.

Here is more information that Dan sent.

Thank you for the info on the items to look for. I put it on a scale and its weight is 25.4 grams and I silver tested it and it is silver as for purity I can say. Unfortunately I found what looks like a seam line in some areas of the edge. It’s not a raised seam like you see on plastic. This looks like two pieces that have been pressed together and didn’t fuse cleanly on the edge. I have included a link from the Heritage Auctions to what looks like a real one that has the same marking as the one I found. I also included pics of the edge of mine. My wife congratulated me as she told me it was a very high end souvenir. It was fun while it lasted. At least it’s a nice hunk of silver. Maybe some time I’ll get the purity tested.

Here is the picture of the edge that he sent me.

Edge of Above Pillar Dollar.

I also asked him about making the find, and he described it as follows.

Anyway I was working the dry sand area along the dune line between the public beach and a large upscale hotel. I was watching a bunch of kids digging these massive hole in the sand along the dune line. When I say massive I’m talking 4 to 5 feet deep and 5 to 6 feet in diameter at the bottom. There were three different holes and I noticed the change in sand texture and color. When they left I went and checked out the holes. The first one gave up nothing and after trying to get out of the first one I was hesitant to climb into the others. The possibilities of finding something worthy of needing climbing gear to get back out was too much to resist. So in I went. Then came a very faint hit. A couple scoops and the tone got better. 18 inches of digging and I was turning down the volume on the excal. Then came the happy sound of rattle rattle in the scoop. What I found was a very dark sand crusted item the size of a silver dollar. In the water the sand came off very easily and the black started to rub off also. Then the OMG stated. Anyway thank you again the info and your time.

I'm curious about the edge.  It isn't what I was expecting to see.  It isn't what I expected to see on a fake and not what I expected to see from the real thing.

The coin is heavily worn.  If it was a real Pillar Dollar, the edge should show a design around it.
The picture of the edge makes me think the coin is fake.

1733 would be just the second year they were making coins with the screw press technology in Mexico, so I wonder it the look of the edge might actually be due partly to a mint error.  I would think that would be highly unlikely, but perhaps possible.  What do you experts think?

I have a good bit of experience with cobs, but almost none with Pillar Dollars and would like the opinion of those of you who are more familiar with Pillar Dollars, maybe Ernie R. or another expert.

Thanks Dan.  Very interesting find, and very good photos!

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I already received one theory on the coin from Larry.  Here it is.

Could be an old sand-cast counterfeit? That could account for the recessed seam, which can occur in sand casting, and the grainy texture and poor detail. It may have some value as a collectible counterfeit.

But if it's a counterfeit, it should have significantly less silver in it, which I think should have caused it to corrode more, if it were old. Unless it was buried deep enough early enough to have inhibited corrosion. 

Thanks much Larry.


And here is a good link Larry provided.

http://calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/cast.htm


I considered the possibility of it being what I would call a reproduction, perhaps even made of salvaged silver by someone like the Fishers.  I don't know if that is a possibility or not.

Interesting mystery to be solved.  Congratulations and good luck.

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Unfortunately I had other things I had to do and couldn't take a look at the beach today, so can't say how they are progressing.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net


Wednesday, March 22, 2017

3/22/17 Report - Public Service Provided By Detectorists Remains Largely Unknown And Unappreciated. Bigger Surf Coming.


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We don't do a good job of letting the world know how much of a service that detectorists provide. One of the ways that detectorists provide a public service is by finding and returning lost items.

I woke up last night and was thinking of some of the items that I returned over a brief period when I was doing a lot of hunting a few decades ago.  Here are a few of the examples that came to mind.

There was the young girl that lost her sister's high school ring in about four feet of water.  Her sister didn't know she had the ring and she was in for big trouble if she lost it.  I found it in a short period of time and returned it.

A tourist from another part of the country lost his eye glasses in a few feet of water in front of one of the hotels.   I found his glasses after a short hunt, and he offered to buy me a drink.  Being soaking wet and dressed only for the water, I declined his offer.

There was the high school ring of a young man that was lost in about three feet of water.  He promised twenty dollars to anyone who found it.   I just happened to be wondering through the area shortly after it was lost and saw the people hunting.  I found it and gave it to him, but he made no attempt to deliver on the reward.

There was the nice gem stone ring returned from about a foot of water near the Pompano Pier.  Not so much as a thank you was offered.

The same for a nice gold gem stone ring recovered from a submerged sand bar in front of a hotel.

I've mentioned this one in this blog before.  The fellow that ran the beach concessions in front of one of the major Miami hotels lost a key ring with about twenty keys on it before he opened for business early one morning.  He couldn't run his business without them.  He offered fifty dollars if I would find them.  I found them in the dry sand in a short amount of time and he was back in business.  That was the biggest reward anyone ever offered, and about the only one that I accepted.

That reminds me of the fireman from New York that lost his 20 year ring or something like that from the fire department in front of the same hotel.  I hunted that one for a long time, but never found it.  He gave me his address, and I hunted it a few times after he left town and wrote to tell him that I still didn't find it.

Another one I've mentioned before was on a remote beach outside of Pensacola back before cell phones.  I stopped at this remote beach and an elderly couple and their grandkids were just leaving the beach when they discovered they had lost their car keys. I found them.  There was no one else on that beach, and they could have been stranded a long time if I hadn't found their keys.

I don't tend to remember the ones I spent a lot of time trying to find but never found.  There were a number of those.

There was the gold chain and pendant that I found for the young man that did a handstand in the shallow water.  It was found relatively quickly.

Then there was the gold chain in a lake in Minneapolis that I couldn't find.

Probably the most expensive was a huge diamond engagement ring I found in the dry sand.  I was walking down he beach when a frantic woman stopped me and said she lost an engagement ring and asked me to find it. I found it after a short hunt I walked off into the sunset as they celebrated.

Other than the fifty dollars, the only other reward I recieved was when I found a nice emerald ring that a nice young lady lost in a couple of feet of water.  After presenting the ring to her, she ran up and got something and ran back down into the water and stuffed a twenty in my pocket and ran off again before I could give it back.

 The list goes on and on.  Those are just a few that came to mind last night.

If it wasn't for detectorists I dare say hundreds of thousands of cherished lost items would still be lost.  From the number that I personally remember returning from that one brief period of time that I was thinking about last night, I can only assume that the total number of items returned by detectorists must run at least into the hundreds of thousands and probably more if you think of the decades that this has been going on.

We should publicize returned items more.  Any park ranger or government official that is against metal detecting would quickly change his mind if his wife lost her engagement ring or family heirloom.  Then it might hit home.

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Warren D. has sent in reports of nice returned finds that he has made.  I'd like to see more or that kind of thing from others.

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There are other services that detectorists render as well.  Detectorists work with archaeologists and police, uncover bombs and dangerous items on the beach, return coins to circulation as well as precious metals and other items, and  remove trash.

I have no idea how much the return of coins to circulation saves the country, but I'll bet the amount is very large.


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Warren D. alerted me to the upcoming Marx lecture.


Sir Robert Marx lecture


Tuesday, March 28, 2017


7:00 PM - 8:00 PM (ET)


Gleason Performing Arts Center


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The surf today tomorrow and Friday is supposed to be up to something like 5 - 7 feet.  Unfortunately the tides will be fairly flat.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Tuesday, March 21, 2017

3/21/17 Report - Legendary Treasure Found In a River. Mystery Stuart Bottle Information Found. Still Up To Seven Foot Surf Predicted.


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A Few of the Thousands of Items Found.
Source: See link below.

CHENGDU, March 20 (Xinhua) -- A centuries-old legend that a vast booty of treasure belonging to the leader of a Chinese peasants uprising was lying at the bottom of a river has now been proven true.


After more than 10,000 items of gold and silver were recovered from the bottom of Minjiang River in Sichuan Province, archeologists confirmed Monday the tale of Zhang Xianzhong and his sunken treasure, dating back to the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644)...

Here is that link.

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I finally got some information on the Stuart Bottling Works bottles that I've found.

In July 1913, James Elersly Weir, Jr., purchased a pitch pine wooden building owned by Joseph A. Lucas, a real estate developer, located on an isolated dirt road (Decker Street) south of Stuart; he had it converted into a bottling plant, Stuart Bottle Works. Soft drinks were bottled, sealed with large snap off caps and distributed in Stuart, Palm City, Jensen, Salerno, Hobe Sound, even to Fort Pierce and Jupiter. Weir only remained in Stuart a few years, joining family in West Palm Beach, in the plastering business and later, an auction house.

The bottling plant building was eventually owned by Ira L. Decker, who operated a concrete manufacturing business and was used primarily for storage. In the afternoon of Feb. 6, 1933, while Decker and local firemen were battling a brush fire nearby, the building caught fire. The wooden structure quickly went up in flames making it impossible for Ira to retrieve equipment, vehicles or machinery.

At least two bottles from the plant survive, clearly marked Stuart Bottling Works, one of which can be seen at the Stuart Heritage Museum.


The bottle is evidently older than I thought.  I thought it looked like a soda bottle.

Here is the link.

http://archive.tcpalm.com/news/historical-vignettes-some-of-martin-countys-firsts----part-2-ep-306511173-342350261.html

Thanks to Dean R. for the link.

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Here are the MagicSeaWeed predictions for the Fort Pierce area.  Not too bad.  There is still a chance for something good to happen.

Unfortunately the tides are now pretty flat.  The wind has died down too.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Monday, March 20, 2017

3/20/7 Report - Treasure Coast Beaches Show Little Improvement So Far. Increased Surf Predicted.


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Rio Mar Beach This Morning.

Looking South Towards Seagrape Trail Access.
As you might be able to see in the photo above, there were a few dips just north of the Seagrape Trail access around where the shard teeth sometimes accumulate.  It wasn't much.  There weren't many shells, and very little sign of any erosion at all this morning.

Looking North Around Bend North of Seagrape Trail This Morning.


South of Turtle Trail Looking Towards Second Flag Pole.

 I went out this morning to check some beaches.  As you can see not much was going on yet.  There was almost no erosion at Rio Mar.

At Seagrape Trail there was very little erosion.  There were a lot of coconuts laying along the high tide line.  The only smidgen of a cut was south at the second flag pole.  There was a dip starting at about the second flag pole and went south for a distance.  That was about it.

The waves were hitting straight on and weren't very big at all this morning.  There was no sign of the bags below Turtle Trail.  They seemed to be pretty deeply covered.

I saw a few detectorists out checking the beaches this morning, but none detecting.

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I have a report of a 1733 Pillar Dollar being found on a SW Florida beach.  Pictures and more about that tomorrow.

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I'm still looking for any information on Stuart Bottling Works.

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The predictions are still for a 3 - 5 foot surf tomorrow and a 5 - 7 foot surf later in the week.

Hurricane season is just about two months away now.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Sunday, March 19, 2017

3/19/17 Report - Improvement in Beach Detecting Conditions Likley In the Coming Week. Stuart Bottling Works Bottle Found.


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Source: MagicSeaWeed. com

The big news today is the weather and predictions.  There was a west wind this morning on the Treasure Coast.  It turned north later in the day.

Midweek we're supposed to have something like a three to five foot surf  and later in the week, a five to eight foot surf.  If that actually happens and everything else such as the wind is right, there will be a chance of some finds both midweek and later.

It looks like the wind might be more favorable midweek.

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Stuart Bottling Works Bottle Found Couple Days Ago.
Here is a bottle that appeared the other day.  It was partially uncovered by recent movement of sand.

I found two of these before but never have been able to find out anything about Stuart Bottling Works, when they existed or what the bottles were used for.  They are evidently not exactly rare along the Treasure Coast.

Embossing On Same Bottle.
It is embossed as shown above.  Sorry the photo isn't better.  It is embossed simply STUART BOTTLING WORKS.

I'd appreciate any information anyone might be able to give me on Stuart Bottling Works.

I also saw this.

That is what I saw in the water.  I picked it up and saw the following.

Lucky Little Green Ceramic Frog.

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Two things I've learned about life dreams.  If you are lucky or unlucky enough to have one, first, they are not to be fulfilled easily.  If everything falls into place without any struggle, something must be wrong.

Secondly, they aren't meant for you alone.  They are just as much, or perhaps more, for others.  If they kill rather than develop over time to be seed or fertilizer for someone else's dream, it is a just a desire - not a real life dream.

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Watch or possible beach conditions improvements this week.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net