Tuesday, September 18, 2018

9/18/18 Report - Detectorist Finds Gold and Pearls. Some Uncommon Beach Coin Finds.


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Part 1500-year-old Cache Found by Detectorist.

In 2017, Terese Refsgaard was out with her metal detector in a field on the island of Hjarnø in Horsens Fjord and struck lucky.

In all, more than 32 pearls and pieces of gold have been found and the items are more than 1,500 years old, reports Politiken.

As well as the pearls, the items include pendants, a gold pin and pieces of gold cut up and used as currency...

Here is the link for more about that.


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1927 Gold-Toned Quarter.
It is rare when you find a mint state coin on a beach, but it happens.

It isn't very often that you find a bullion coin either.  But that happens too.

When I started looking into coin collecting, I learned how important condition is to most coin collectors.  I knew it was important, but some coin collectors take it far beyond what I expected.  The slightest increase in condition, can multiply the value of a coin many times.

300 year old cobs or other very old historic coins don't have to be in excellent condition to have some value, but condition still counts.  A reale with a nice readable details is more valuable than a cob with little detail.  A discernable date is a big plus.

But what I wanted to talk about today are more modern coins, and especially those found on a beach.  Over the years I've found a few beach coins in excellent condition.  That is almost never the case if the coin has spent any time at all in salt water.  There are some very rare exceptions to that too.  I once found a coin in the water that was encased in plastic and none the worse for the experience.  Usually you see ugly black oxidation.

I have found a lot of silver coins, but the one shown above is the only one that has developed such bright gold toning.  I'm curious as to how that happened.

1977 Isle of Man Silver Jubilee One Crown.
Here is a coin that I found on a beach in my early days of detecting.  It is not a coin that ever circulated.  It is a commemorative coin.  Yet it was left on a beach, and I found it before it was badly damaged.  The melt value is about $12, but it one person said it would be MS 62.  You seldom find a mint state coin on the beach.

It has two scratches.  You can see them on the queen's shoulder.  I'm not absolutely sure but think I might have made the scratches when I dug it up.

In my opinion, coins in excellent condition are so rare on the beach, that a lot of care in recovery is usually a big waste of time - especially if you are in the wet sand or water.  However, on some rare occasions, you might regret any small amount of damage you might do.

Reverse of Same Silver Coin.
Here is another example of the type of coin I wasn't expecting to find on a eroded beach.  The condition is very good - estimated by some coin collectors to be EF to VF.

1966 Silver Spanish Coin.
This one fooled me when I dug it up.  It was on s remote beach where I would never expect to find anything like that. 

Below is what I first saw in my scoop.

Reverse of Same Coin.
I thought it was a fake Spanish coin.  No fake at all.  Not at all what I expected.  I just threw it my pocket and didn't pay much attention to it at all until I got home and looked at it better.

This one has a melt value of about $7.00, but the right one in MS 60 or above condition could bring five or six hundred dollars.

I wondered how and why it was left on the beach.

Those are two coins that I would not expect to find on a beach at all, especially in such good condition.

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There is nothing significant in the Atlantic, and the beaches are calm.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net







Monday, September 17, 2018

9/17/18 Report - Reviewing Some of the Neat Treasure Coast Finds of the Summer of 1918.


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Silver Frame Found by Grant, Diver on the Bottomline
Photo by Captain Jonah Martinez

Before all the storm activity I was going to look back at some of the find's made on the Treasure Coast his summer.  It was a slow summer, but there were some great finds.

Among the top finds were those made by the salvage crews.  I posted a photo of the silver frame found by Grant and the crew of the Bottomline.  That is a very unique and significant discovery.

Author and researcher Laura Strolia provided this blog with some excellent research on the object.  She said it is probably a retablo associated with St. John.

Here is the link to that post.

http://treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com/2018/08/81218-report-research-on-amazing-2018.html

This wasn't the only find made by the crew of the Bottomline.  I also showed a nice silver candlestick bottom, silver cob and olive jar shard found by those guys.

There were beach finds made by individual detectorists too.  One of my favorite beach finds was the cannon ball that was hidden in a conglomerate.  That was found by Fred B.

Here is that link.

http://treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com/2018/08/82318-report-big-surprise-found-in.html

There was also a gold nugget found on a Treasure Coast beach by Duane C.

Here is that link.

http://treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com/2018/08/gold-nugget-recently-found-on-treasure.html

I've found gold nuggets on Treasure Coast shipwreck beaches in the past.  This one looked different, but that was something that isn't found every day.

I probably forgot or missed a lot of great finds.  If you have Treasure Coast find from this summer that you want me to post, send a photo and description.

My personal favorite finds this year were not found on a beach.  A 1914 ten-dollar gold coin in excellent condition and over twenty silver dollars were found, along with a bunch of other older coins.  That helped ease the frustration of not getting out to the beach very much.

I was going to post more today but am tired of trying to work with a messed up computer.

There isn't any significant tropical weather to watch now.  The surf will be around two or three feet for most of this week.

A fellow up north got killed by a shark.

Florence is still dumping rain on North Carolina and other northern states.

I heard from some of the guys up in North Carolina that hunt the treasure beaches up there.  There will undoubtedly be some good finds made up that way.

Pray for those who had flooding and damage.

Thanks to the many volunteers who helped the residents.

That is all for now.


Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Sunday, September 16, 2018

9/16/18 Report - After Florence. A Couple Finds. Muntz Metal and Copper Sheathing.


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Gold Band Found a Couple Days Ago.


After all the weather, it looks like the things on the Treasure Coast are pretty much back to normal.  Although we got some good water, I didn't see hardly any erosion.  Still finds were made.

One gold band was found, but there were some older things found also.  Those shown below are among the oldest.

A Couple Treasure Coast Fossil Finds.

I think both of the fossils are turtle fossils.  The one on the left, I think is from the plastron - the flat part of the shell under the turtle.

I always enjoy finding interesting non-metallic items while detecting.

I haven't cleaned the encrusted objects yet.

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Yesterday or the day before I posted a picture of a fake coin and a piece of copper found by D. Renken, and then below that I posted a picture of a nice wall display made of shipwreck finds.   James F. sent me an email and pointed out that what I referred to as copper might actually be Muntz metal instead.  

Muntz metal is an alloy of copper and tin.  I think James is probably right about the large piece in the wall display that bears the marker's mark.

In my 4/16/14 post I gave a link to a page about the use of copper in maritime history that tells about G. F. Muntz patenting his new brass alloy of 60% copper and 40% tin, called Muntz metal.  That patent was registered in 1832.

Here is that link again.


I posted a nice find of Muntz sheathing that showed a patent mark in my 4/19/14 post.  Since Muntz metal wasn't patented until 1832, that, of course, means that if it came from a shipwreck, the shipwreck would not be no earlier than 19th century.

In the area where D. Renken found the fake coin and the item I called copper, I know there is an 1800s  era shipwreck, but there is also an early 1600s or late 1500s shipwreck almost within a stones throw from there.  And not too far in the other direction is a possible 1715 wreck in an area of an exploratory lease that was investigated in the summer of 2017.

I have personally found a lot of copper, including some fairly large pieces, in the same area where the recent finds were made by D.  Renken.

Thanks to James F. for the note about Muntz metal.

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What is the best thing you ever found?  I hear people ask that all the time.  I always have a hard time answering that question, and try to avoid it anyhow.  I think when most people ask, they are really asking what is the most valuable thing I found.  That isn't easy for me to answer either, and I'm not interested in saying anyhow.

One thing that makes answering that question more complicated, is that I don't always immediately know the value of things.  There were things that I thought weren't worth anything that I later found out were worth a lot more than I thought, and there were things I thought would be much more valuable than they actually were.  In the days before the internet it often took a lot longer to do the research or get good estimates of value.

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There is nothing left in the Atlantic that is likely to affect us much.  Joyce and Helene are no threat to North America, and Florence seems to be heading north.

There is one wave down in the Caribbean that could develop.  I'll watch that one.

Source: magicseaweed.com

As you can see the surf will be decreasing throughout next week.

I'll be happy to get some nice fall weather.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Saturday, September 15, 2018

9/15/18 Report - Florence Finds Beginning To Come In. Nice Treasure Coast Shipwreck Artifacts On Display. 83 Foot Wave!


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Couple Florence Finds From the Treasure Coast.
Finds and photo by D. Renken.
I received an email with photos from D. Renken, who just found the above fake treasure coin and copper sheathing.  When you dig a fake like that, your first glimpse gets you excited before you realize that it is a fake.  D. R. said he quickly recognized this one as a fake.

He also sent me photos of a large sheet of shipwreck copper that he found some time ago (below).  He made a great wall display out of the copper and some spikes and nails.


Wall Display Of Shipwreck Copper, Lead, Spikes, Nails etc.
Finds and photo by D. Renken.
The large copper has a makers mark on it, which D. has been trying to identify.

Makers Mark on Copper Sheathing.
Photo by D. Renken.
If you can help identify the mark, please let me know.

That is the kind of display I highly recommend.  You will get more pleasure out of your finds if you clean them up and make a nice display.  This is a beautiful example.

Thanks for the photos D.

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I need to clarify something I said yesterday.  I said something like, I'm not a serious detectorist anymore.  I only meant that I don't detect a lot.  I didn't mean to suggest that I lost interest.  I am every bit as interested in detecting as I ever was.  I just don't get the opportunity to do it much.  I now have responsibilities that keep me from going out a lot.   I very much regret not being able to hunt more.  As a result I have to make the best use of my limited time in the field, which makes it even more important to make the most efficient use of my time.  That means I study to improve my effectiveness even more.  I also spend more time studying finds, and have learned a lot that way.

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83 foot wave?  Wow!

https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/water-cooler/hurricane-florence-creates-monster-83-foot-wave

Thanks to Jorge Y. for that link.

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Mystery Find.
Find and photo by Scott C.
Scott C. found this item on one of the Treasure Coast shipwreck beaches and wondered what it might be.  He provided no indication of size.

To me it looks like a buckle, or perhaps a drawer pull.  What do you think.

I have no idea of age.  If it is cleaned up, there might be a mark.

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Source: nhc.noaa.gov
Looks like Florence will be turning and heading into the Ohio Valley.

Isaac as dissipated.

Joyce and Helen will stay far out in the Atlantic.

Maybe we'll get some good Fall storms.  It is not uncommon.   Florence didn't really do much for us despite the high water.

Source: MagicSeaWeed.com.
The surf has calmed down but will increase to three to four feet by Sunday.

I have a few more finds to show later.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net


Friday, September 14, 2018

9/14/18 Report - Beach Conditions On The Treasure Coast After the High Surf. The Sure Way To Make Good Finds.


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Beach Early This Morning.
Not much changed since yesterday.  I didn't see as many beaches today as I did yesterday, so I could have missed something somewhere.

I'm not much of a detectorist anymore, and haven't been for quite a few years now.  Too many responsibilities and other things got in my way.   I don't think I've spent much more than a dozen hours detecting (on the beach, I should have said) all year, and that is much less than I spent in a typical week at one time.

Anyhow, I did go out to check around again today.  You'll be much more productive if you can be out there a lot.


Beach Early This Morning.
The beach and the surf looked very much like they did yesterday.

There were some shells on one beach today.

Part of Shell Line This Morning.
Yesterday there were some decent size rocks that washed up or otherwise appeared on the front beach.  Here is one that I photographed yesterday.

One Rock That Washed Up Yesterday.

I did get a few minutes of detecting time in yesterday.  Here are a couple things I found.

Couple New Finds.
The silver chain is broken, and the other slice of silver, presumably a coin, is unidentifiable.

I had some other finds, but haven't cleaned and photographed them yet.

I would bet that there will be a few cob finds, but they will be very few and far between.

I've seen this kind of beach produce better in the past, but I didn't get a good sample - just a few brief checks.

There are always exceptions.  I've mentioned the lady that found an escudo the first time she ever used a metal detector.  It happens - but not often. There are skilled detectorists who have been detecting the Treasure Coast beaches for a along time who never found one a gold escudo.  It takes a lot of time for most people.

A single find tells you next to nothing.  It takes more than one data point to derive good useful generalizations.  Some generalizations are better than others, and if you keep studying, you'll probably have to change your mind every once in a while as you learn that some things do not actually work as you once thought they did.

One of the problems with doing a blog on a daily basis is that the posts are relatively short.  A single post can not include a discussion of the many factors that are usually involved.

People will often tell you to check the dips in front of erosion.  That isn't bad advice.  In fact it is good advice, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

I've found treasure coins in a lot of different kinds of places - some locations seemed unlikely.   I've found them on mushy beaches, on top of the ledge just behind a cut, and at the high tide line with seaweed.  They have been found almost anywhere, but that doesn't mean that some places aren't more promising than others. The chances are much better in some locations than others.  It is a matter of probabilities.  If you spend your time where the chances are better, you're time will be spent more efficiently, and you'll find much more in the long run.

The more time you spend and the more ground you cover, the better your chances will be.  If you spend ten times the amount of time as someone else, you probably will find more, but there are people who can find more than other people even though they might spend only one tenth the amount of time.  That is skill.

Absolute numbers of good finds will be highly correlated with the amount of time spent.  The correlation will not be perfect though.  There are other factors, and some are very important.

The bottom line is, if you want to make a lot of good finds, spend a lot of time -  and while detecting observe, learn and improve your skill as much as you can.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Thursday, September 13, 2018

9/13/18 Report - Beach Conditions This Morning From McLarty to John Brooks.


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Just North of McLarty Museum This Morning.
Last night was the biggest surf so I wanted to get out to see what was happening.  I got out early because that was my only chance.

Above you see what it looked like just north of the McLarty Museum.  There were no cuts, just some shallow scalloping.

I didn't get to see some of the beaches, and that include some that I was most wanted to see.

Ambersands Beach access was closed a little before 7 AM.   

The two parks between Ambersands and Wabasso were open around 7.

Wabasso  Just After Sunrise This Morning.
As you can see there was a lot of sand and sea weed at Wabasso.  No big erosion there.

Wabasso Looking Towards Disney Resort This Morning.

The water did get high last night, but the waves were hitting the beach straight on.

Seagrape and Turtle Trail accesses were still closed at around 7:15.  A few cars were waiting to get in.  I didn't have time to wait.


Rio Mar Looking South This Morning.
As you can see, there was plenty of sand at Rio Mar.  Sea weed too.

Rio Mar Looking North This Morning.
This is pretty much what all the beaches that I saw looked like this morning.  


John Brooks Beach This Morning.
Like the other beaches, John Brooks beach had some scalloping and no cuts.


John Brooks Beach This Morning.
In this photo you can see that the water got all the way back to the dunes last night.

Blogger is really sluggish right now.  Maybe too many viewers.  Anyhow, I'm going to leave it there for now and probably add some later.  I'll try to get some find photos by then too.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net


Wednesday, September 12, 2018

9/12/18 Report - Beach Conditions and Predictions as Florence Nears Landfall. Spanish Coin Find.


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Do you recognize this silver dollar sized coin?  I found it back not long after I just began metal detecting.  I think you can see why I thought it might be something good.

Besides being new to metal detecting, we didn't have all the helpful internet resources, web site and forums to help with the research, so it was quite a while before I learned much about it.

As a new detectorist three or four decades ago, I thought I might have found something noteworthy when I dug it up.


These aren't bad pictures.  The coin is well worn.

It turns out it does have some silver content, but it isn't very old.  It is a 1957 Mexico one-peso coin.

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John Brooks Beach This Morning About 8 AM.

I had a few minutes to take a quick look at the beach this morning. As you can see above, the waves were hitting straight on and, there was no erosion at John Brooks at that time. There were a few more shells at the high tide line.


Turtle Nest Marker Near Center of Photo.
I noticed the turtle nest and was reminded of the environmental damage done by beach renourishment.  There is NO chance that this turtle nest will productive.  It won't be long before it washes away.  

I'm glad I'm not preparing for a hurricane to hit this morning.

I was well out in front of the media on Florence.  A week ago I talked about it heading toward the Carolina's and hanging around a while.  The predictions haven't changed much on this one.

MagicSeaWeed shows the surf starting to increase later today.

Source: MagicSeaWeed.com


Florence.
Source: nhc.noaa.gov
There is one change.  It now looks like Florence will bend south a little.

Isaac.
Source: nhc.noaa.gov
It looks like Isaac is going to stay south of us.

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We'll see what happens later today.  So far it is quiet on the Treasure Coast.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net