Tuesday, December 6, 2016

12/6/16 Report - A Couple Nice Old Bottle Finds. Jupiter Erosion Gives Up Some Gold.

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1924 TryMe Soda Bottle Find.
Yesterday I showed some bottles I found Saturday.  Here are a couple of the better ones.

At the top is a TryMe soda bottle.  The patent mark on the bottom is March 24, 1824.  It is also marked "Miami."

This is the one that I saw an example that sold for $25.  There are a lot of soda bottle collectors.

The next example is good too.

Electric Bug Kill Bottle Find.

This one is embossed, "KILL-LOL / ELECTRIC BUG KILLER / OMNIA CHEMICAL CO. NEW YORK U.S.A. ". There is an upside down bug, embossed in a triangle, under "KILL-LOL."

I saw an example of this type of bottle that sold for $75 in 2015.  It was said to be rare.

I don't have an exact date on this one, but did find that the Omnia Chemical Company obtained patents for liquid pesticides in 1905.  I should be able to get a date reange for this bottle, 


Joe D. hunted Jupiter the other day.  Here is what he had to report.

Hunted Jupiter today, renurshment sand drops off about a 12 foot cliff and gradually runs off to knee high in each direction several hundred yards. Clad, junk jewelry, fishing tackle, and one gold item. Very little trash, but nothing old yet!

Joe's Gold Find
Photo by Joe D.
Cut At Jupiter
Photo submitted by Joe D.
Thanks for the report and pictures Joe.


As I write, there is a front on the way here.  The surf is very small today and will be tomorrow.

Happy hunting,

Monday, December 5, 2016

12/5/16 Report - More on the Ribault Fleet. Alternative Hunting For Poor Beach Conditions.

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Results of a Quick Saturday Bottle Hunt.

On 12/3/16 I did a post that mentioned a shipwreck discovered off Cape Canaveral that France is claiming as part of the French fleet that in 1565 went to the aid of the colony at Fort Caroline.

On the wreck was found a stone marker possibly used by some of the earliest French explorers. France is seeking rights to the wreck despite the fact that it was located by Global Marine Explorations and has not yet been positively identified. 

Jon Morgan, who conducts interviews on metal detecting and treasure hunting did a podcast with Terry Armstrong of Signum Ops, which publishes a number of books on treasure hunting, some of which deal with the Treasure Coast and the 1715 Fleet.  One of the books published by Signum Ops was authored by Doug Armstrong (no relation of Terry) who the Armstrong Site is named after.

You can listen to Jon's podcast with Terry Armstrong by using the following link.

Here is an article about an earlier attempt to find the Ribault Fleet.

I know I didn't tie all of that together for you but there are so many threads that it would have taken me forever, and I just wanted to put it out there for those that might be interested and assuming that some of you would know how it all fits together.


Two or three days ago I did a post on an antique bottle that I found.  As a result of that find, I went out bottle hunting again yesterday and did quite well.  In fact it was the best bottle hunting day that I had for quite a while.

At the top of the post are some of the bottles that I found.

There are two especially interesting bottles in that group.  One similar bottle sold in 2015 for $75.  Another sold for $25.  I haven't researched all of them yet, and I have more research to do on all of them.

When I found the one old bottle the day before, that bottle served as a sign that conditions might have improved for bottle hunting, and that proved to be true.

Some finds are most valuable as signs or indicators.  It doesn't matter if you are hunting cobs, bottles or fossils or sea glass, if you find one, there are often more.  A find might not be valuable, but it might provide valuable information.

Another lesson is that when conditions are not right for one type of hunting, they might be right for another type of hunting,  When conditions are not good for hunting treasure coins, the conditions might be just right for hunting something else or hunting some other place.

Don't get too narrow about what and where you hunt.  When cob hunting, is not good, you might consider doing something else.  Don't get stuck in a rut.  Be flexible and adjust.  It is a fortunate fact that the conditions that make hunting poor for one thing makes conditions good for hunting other types of things.

Much of it depends upon the movement of water and sand or soil and the materials that might be in the area.  I've described much of that in the past.

I included a couple broken bottles in the picture.  They aren't valuable, but they were good indicators.

Above is the broken bottle.  As you can see the bottle held a cure for jaundice.  Again, the bottle is broken and isn't worth anything, but it told me (1) that bottles were surfacing, and (2) that older items were in the area.  That kept me going.

I don't entirely predetermine what I am going to do on a hunt.  What I do depends upon what I see.  I'm always looking for signs and indicators.  If I saw no promising signs, at some point, I would have quit what I was doing and tried something else.  But this broken bottle kept me on the track.

The next thing of significance that I round was the small ink bottle.

Again, this is not a valuable bottle, but it was another sign or indicator that kept me on the track.  

You don't always find bottles where I was looking.  I haven't seen old bottles there for quite a while, but the broken bottle and the ink bottle were very good signs, and they indicated that more might be nearby.

I'll follow up with this in the future and show some of the better bottles.

I gave you several reminders.  Always be looking for any type of sign or indicator, and be flexible. Adjust according to what you see. 

Learn about different types of finds and different types of hunting.  That way if conditions are not good for one type of hunting, you have other alternatives to keep you busy until things change again.


The surf will be small for a few days.  No improvement in conditions during that time.

Happy hunting,

Saturday, December 3, 2016

12/3/16 Report - Historic Florida Shipwreck Claimed by France. Your Attention and Action Needed. Antique Bottle Find.

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100-Year-Old Cures Bottle Found This Morning.
I found this bottle in the water yesterday.  On one side it reads "Chattanooga Tenn," and the other side reads "Manufactured by F. M. Plank."

After a little research I found that this is a cure bottle, often listed as a "quack cure" bottle.

Here is an ad that I found from 1906.

The ad was found in the 1906 Proceedings of the Florida State Pharmaceutical Association.

The other Plank bottles that I've seen have the bust of a man embossed on the bottle.  This one, however, has a diamond-shaped depression, that I imagine once had a paper label.  I haven't yet found when this type of bottle was used.  The bottle with the embossed bust is always described as being from the late 1800s.


Below is a link to an article that you need to read and leave your own comments on.  I recently said that it is impossible to separate politics from treasure hunting.  This illustrates that.

France has filed a legal claim to an ancient shipwreck discovered off Cape Canaveral, saying it was part of the French fleet that in 1565 went to the aid of that country’s doomed colony at Fort Caroline in Jacksonville.
That follows a claim by the private treasure salvage company that found the wreck, and seems likely to lead to a dispute in U.S. District Court in Orlando over ownership of the artifacts.
It would be a high-stakes battle: A state archaeology report says the wreck, if it is indeed connected to the French fleet, “would be of immense archaeological significance...”

The identity of the ship is in question.  Rather than being a French ship, it might actually be something else, perhaps a Spanish ship which was carrying a stone marker used by the French to mark land claimed in the New World.

The article says,  ...If the wreck is of a merchant vessel, Global Maritime Exploration, which had a state permit to look for wrecks, would be entitled to 80 percent of what is found. The state would get 20 percent.
If it is determined to be part the royal French fleet, however, France could be granted ownership of it.

A marine archaeologist quoted in the article would prefer that rights to the ship be awarded to France rather than the company that found it.  If that were to happen, none of the items would go into the Florida Collection to be maintained for the benefit of the citizens of Florida.  

Not surprisingly, the archaeologist is a globalist that opposes capitalist ventures and evidently also the long-standing arrangements worked out by the State of Florida to preserve Florida history for its citizens.

Not only should you read this article, but also comment and contact your representatives.

Here is the link to the article.


Thanks to Brian B. for alerting me to this story and sending the link.

Happy hunting,

Thursday, December 1, 2016

12/1/16 Report - Million Dollars of Gold Flakes Stolen. Great Bottle Book. Gold Torc Found.

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Turtle Trail North Thursday
Photo by Darrel S.
Darrel, down from Gainesville, hit the Treasure Coast beaches hard for the last month and sent me a lot of reports and photos,  They were very helpful to me.  Thanks Darrel.

You can tell the cuts are old.  They are beaten down.  When they are new, they are more like a wall. They just sort of crumble over time if the water isn't hitting them.

In the above photo you can see that the water had just splashed up on the foot of the cuts.

Darrel says that Seagrape Trail access is still closed.


Over a million dollars worth of gold flakes was stolen from the back of a truck in New York in broad daylight with bystanders not paying any attention.  

Here is the link to that story.



A few days ago I posted a link to an article about how to tell the age of Coke bottles.  That post received a good number of Google Pluses.

Here is a great book that will give you tons of good information on how to date and identify all kinds of bottles.  You can read much of it online as a preview.

The book, written by Peter Schulz, has the title Baffle Marks and Pontil Scars: A Reader on Historic Bottle Identification.

Click on the title to look at that preview.

I highly recommend taking a look at this book if you collect bottles at all.


3000 Year-Old Gold Torc (Belt) Find

A mysterious 3,000-year-old gold torc, described as one of the largest ever discovered, has been unearthed in the U.K.

Discovered in Cambridgeshire last year, the torc, which dates from between 1300 and 1100 B.C., went on display at the British Museum in London this week...

Here is the link for the rest of that story.


Thanks to Bill White for that link.


Expect a small surf for the next week or two.  Nothing exciting.

Happy hunting,

Wednesday, November 30, 2016

11/30/16 Report - Turning A Whatzit Into a Thatzit. Help Solve The DB Cooper Mystery. Reports From the T. C.

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Dug Lead Whatzit.

What do you think it is?  I'll get back to that below.


Darrel S. sent the following message.

Golden Sand still closed. Not much found other some junk jewelry and tabs! Beach was in 2 parts. 1st part wall 6 feet high and flat to 2nd part. 2nd wall dropped off with very low pockets or scoops. Flat out into low tide surf. The rope that we saw at Turtle Trail was past the steel wall towards Orchid Resort. 3 employees were cutting it with machetes and removing it from the beach. That is long way to travel from where we saw it on Sunday. I found 3 nice Cowrie shells. Been a long time that any good ones have been seen in this area.

Darrel and friends detected Round Island Park today and found a good bit of scrap iron and some coins.  He said it wasn't as worked as he expected.

Thanks for the reports Darrel.


The public is being asked to help solve the DB Cooper case.

True Ink founder Geoffrey Gray says he received the case files—including evidence assessments and interviews with jet passengers—while researching a 2011 post on the hijacker, later branded DB Cooper, but couldn't review them all, per the Washington Post.

"We have access to all these original DB Cooper case files and we want help from the public, citizen sleuths to help solve this case," he says. Authorities have had almost no leads in the decades since Cooper boarded the flight from Portland, Ore., to Seattle on Nov. 24, 1971. The only physical evidence is a cache of about $6,000 from the heist found along the banks of the Columbia River in 1980, and theories abound. One retired FBI agent suspects he landed in a lake and died. Others believe Cooper was really Richard McCoy, who copied Cooper's crime in 1972 and was later killed in an FBI shootout, notes Fox 13 (Or perhaps Cooper was a grocery manager from Michigan.)...

Here is the link for the rest of that article.


Thanks to Dean for that link.


Did you figure out what the item shown at the top of the post is?

I dug the item not too long ago and thought I knew what it might be but I really wasn't confident about it at all.  It stayed in my TBR (To Be Researched) pile for a while. Today I did a little research and now am pretty sure that I know what it is.

Source: Odyssey Virtual Museum
See link below.

I thought it was a lead bottle collar.  If you look at the inside of the ring it has a ridge which spirals away from one edge.  A lead cap would screw onto it.

Here is what the Odyssey Virtual Museum says.

A total of 127 fragments of glass were excavated from the “Tortugas” shipwreck, including square-sectioned case bottles. The bases of these bottles are all medium olive green in color and contain air bubbles. Glass rims and neck sherds were recovered still attached to 14 lead screw collars and caps that originally sealed some of the “Tortugas” ship’s bottle mouths. Data suggests a minimum presence of 16 square-sectioned bottles on the ship...

The two-piece permanent lead collars and caps that originally closed the bottles’ mouths feature everted sides and a horizontal shoulder surmounted by a short vertical mouth. Each collar, 1.4-1.9cm high, is subdivided into two seamless elements: at top a narrow screw thread (W. 1.5-1.9cm, Th. 0.2cm) consisting of three convex external edges between two inner recessed threads for receipt of a lead cap, and below the main section (max W. 2.1-3.3cm, bottom W. 1.9-2.9cm, Th. 0.2-0.4cm) that originally covered and protected the glass bottle neck and rim. The two zones are separated by a horizontal ledge, furrowed on the lower edge. The bottom edge of the inner diameter, reflecting the bottle’s neck diameter, ranges from 1.2-1.7cm. The collar was a permanent component cast over the bottle...

Here is the link if you want to learn more about lead bottle collars and caps from shipwrecks.



We're having great weather lately.  I'm not expecting any improvement in conditions in the next couple of days.

Happy hunting,

Tuesday, November 29, 2016

11/29/16 Report - Detecting Surf and Turf. Button Finds. Digging Egyptian Movie Artifacts in California.

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Tis the season to be jolly.  Anytime you can be jolly is the season to be jolly, but for beach hunters, the winter months are generally better than the summer months, unless there is a summer storm that shakes things up. From my personal experience, October to April is the best time to find cobs on the beach, with Nov. to February usually being the best of those.  It is the opposite of the salvage season around here, which relies on the smoother summer surf.  More likely than not we'll have some good opportunities to find cobs on the beach in the next couple of months.

Dan B. was hunting in South Carolina.  Here is what he had to say about that.

I spent a solid week of research before heading to SC this year. I was surprised at how difficult things can be if they are not in one's own back yard. Going to unfamiliar territory is strangely challenging. Surprised that anything could stand in my way, I found that everything did. Satellite photos of streams were bulging rivers. The ground and roots in some places combined with many inches of leaf litter reminded me of how nice it is to dig in sugar sand.  Trees were down everywhere and shotgun shells seem to be more of an issue than pop tops. Overall, I had a nice time in the woods and learned to appreciate my neck of the woods more. I was able to pull a nice variety of different buttons.

It is nice to be able to hunt various types of locations and do different types of detecting.  It is difficult though - especially if you are accustomed to one type of location and one type of hunting.

Most of us beach hunters know the beaches that we hunt.  We figured out what type of detector we need and are prepared for the sand and surf.  In other locations our equipment might not be so well suited to the environment.

Sifting sand through a scoop is one thing, but digging in rocks or clay is another.  You might choose both a different detector and a different type of recovery tool.  It can be difficult to see a coin covered with clay, or dig through rocks and pebbles without destroying the coin, or find a target in a pile of leaves.  Those are all things I have to do when I detect my favorite site in West Virginia.

A different search strategy might be required too.  You don't have the surf to sift and sort things when you are not on the beach.  You might have some sifting and sorting though, as I described in a recent post.  You have water runoff, and you have erosion in some spots, so there are some similarities.

Buttons Found by Dan B. During A  Land Hunt In S. C.
Here is what Dan said about the button finds.

Large flatty with no front design and broken shank. Looking closely you can see "plated" on the second.  The last two don't appear as old.

Thanks Dan.


Los Angeles, CA)—Artifacts from the epic movie "The Ten Commandments" are starting to surface from underneath the Guadalupe-Nipomo Dunes in California...

A giant sphinx was found in the dunes earlier this year and it's currently on display at the nonprofit Dunes Center in Guadalupe. More remains are expected to be found from a "lost city" that boasted a huge temple, four more sphinxes, massive statues, a 750-foot-long wall, and amenities.

Hamilton said roughly 2,500 people lived in the camp for several months during the film's production...

Here is the link for the rest of that story.



That is all for today.

Happy hunting,

Monday, November 28, 2016

11/28/16 Report - Some Cuts Around The Treasure Coast. Story of 1715 Fleet Gold Plate.

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John Brooks Beach This Morning Near Low Tide.

Above is a picture of John Brooks beach this morning before low tide.  You can see that some sand has moved.

Detectorist Working John Brooks This Morning.

We had a good stiff north wind yesterday, which removed some sand.  Too bad the wind shifted.  Now the waves are hitting from the East.  It is best when there is a sustained north/northeast wind.

When the wind shifts, one spot can cut out and then fill up again, and it doesn't take long.

The cuts are not back near the dunes.  The water didn't get high enough.

Darrel S. sent the following report Sunday.

Went north of Chucks, but not much. Wind had picked up and a ton of seaweed. A lot of sand on the beaches north of inlet. We went to Turtle Trail and I went north to Seagrape. Huge wall from Turtle Trail to Seagrape. You guys call it cuts, but it is renourishment. Saw several detectorists working the aka cuts. The midline had a huge hump up and down then sloped into flat area in front of shoreline. Black sand on some of the digs. Found some bolts, few pennies, and Canadian coins very clean. There was a massive pile of rope off one of the barges. Very valuable if someone could get it off the beach. In front of where some of the gold was found last year. 

Thanks  much Darrel.

Paul G. sent this photo of the Turtle Trail north.

North of Turtle Trail This Morning.
Photo submitted by Paul G.

This photo shows the area between Turtle Trail and Seagrape Trail this morning.  There were three feet cuts in some spots, as you can see from the photo.

Paul G. said there were still some of those dimes and Canadian coins popping up in this area.

North of Turtle Trail This Morning
Photo submitted by Paul G.
In the photo above you can see the seaweed in from of the cut, indicating that the cut started to fill already.

It looks like much of the Treasure Coast got some small amount of erosion.

As far as beach detecting conditions, this is sort of in between.  It is slightly improved, but not enough for many cobs to be found.

I wouldn't be surprised if a few scattered cobs were found.  I haven't seen some of the beaches and don't know what they are doing, but my guess is that they are pretty similar to those you see above.

I'm thinking of changing my rating scale just a little.  I need something to indicate conditions like these.  They are transitional with the possibility of a few scattered finds, but conditions are not good enough for what I would rate as  a "2."


Here is an article about the gold plate that was found by a local diver back about forty years ago.  Good read.



The surf will be decreasing the next few days, so I don't expect any additional improvement.  It might be a good chance to check out the low tide area.

Happy hunting,