Showing posts with label old buttons. Show all posts
Showing posts with label old buttons. Show all posts

Wednesday, July 3, 2019

7/3/19 Report - Old Buttons Cleaning and Preservation. What You Might Need To Know To Be Ready For Your Big Find.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.


Back of Flat Button As Found.

This button was found near the 54th Regiment of Foot and 76th Regiment of Foot buttons that I showed recently.  It is a flat button with a gold wash or gilt.  Much of the detail is obscured.  There is no detail on the front, and the gilt is gone from the front.

As I've explained many times, be careful when you clean a coin or other item.  Use the least aggressive or dangerous method that will do the job and monitor the progress very closely to prevent any damage.  If you don't know for sure how to do it, it is better to wait.

Well, this is an example of not doing it right.  I decided to clean this one, and decided to see how a quick immersion in acid would do.  A very quick immersion would have been alright, but I put in the Muriatic Acid and forgot about it, leaving it in overnight.  That was not good.

This is what happened.

Flat Button After Overnight Immersion in Muriatic Acid.

As you can see some of the dirt came off but so did some of the gilt.  That is a good example of what not to do.

You can now see the flourishes but the word ORANGE, which is at the top and bottom between the flourishes.

I've found gilded pieces tricky.  You don't want to lose any gilding, but it can easily be damaged and removed.

I would not have even considered using the acid if the button was one of the better ones, but thought I could get away with a quick dip.  Unfortunately it was more than a quick dip.

Aluminum Jelly or Naval Jelly is often recommended for use on buttons having gold or silver gilt.

The change in color on the above photos is due mostly to a change in lighting.  I should have been more careful about that too.

Here is an article that will help you do it right.  Additional methods are described including heated hydrogen peroxide.


Beside cleaning, buttons will often need some type of treatment for conservation.  Pewter, for example, is fragile.  When you find a pewter button the first thing to do is keep it moist.

After you properly clean it, then you need to protect it, otherwise the edges will start chipping.

If you look at the edges of the two buttons below, you'll see chips around the edges.



People often coat pewter buttons with a 50% mixture of Elmers glue and water or a thin cover of urethane.

Neither of the of the above have been cleaned or preserved yet.

I've learned many lessons the hard way and post them here so you won't have to repeat them.

I once did a post asking "Are you really ready for your big find."

Everybody is eager to make a big find, but there are many mistakes you can make when that happens before you are ready.

These were the first old buttons I found and I didn't have the knowledge or experience to treat them properly.  If you are like me, you will make a lot of mistakes the first time you find different kinds of items.  Here are some of the kinds of mistakes you can make.

1.  Not carefully digging.  You can easily destroy or damage finds during recovery.  That can be very disappointing when you find out that the item was something especially nice.

2.  Not identifying the item correctly.  When an item comes out of the ground, it can tell you something important.  Its age and quality might tell you that the area deserves more serious attention, but if you don't recognize the item, you can miss that important clue, or worse yet, discard an item that has more value or is more interesting than you recognize.

3. Not carrying the item safely.  I broke some nice bottles while carrying them down the beach and lost a gold chain out of a hole in my shirt pocket.  I walked back about a mile and refound the chain, but it was a lot of extra effort.

4.  As I showed today, a nice item can easily be damaged by the wrong cleaning method.

5.  After proper cleaning comes conservation.

6.  You might also fail to record information about the time, location and other details of the find.  Again, if you are like me, after a few years you'll discover that you wish you had done that.

For example, I just ran across some arrowheads I stored in a plastic bag.  I had some information in the bag written on paper with the items.  The paper crumbled and I can no longer read what it said.

More often, I never wrote down the information that I later wish I had.

7.  Then there are legal, partnership and media issues that might need to be handled properly.


In summary, if you don't yet have the knowledge or experience to deal with things well. there are a lot of things that can be done to ruin or diminish what otherwise would be a great find.  In my case, it hasn't been anything huge, but there are many cases when I wish I had done things differently.  Most of those happened early in my treasure hunting days, and many of them were "first" finds of a particular type.



Here is a nice web site showing a lot of button backmarks.

http://relicman.com/buttons/Button9900-Backmark-Index-PAGE2.html

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I asked people to send in photos of their Native American Treasure Coast beach finds, particularly points, but haven't received any yet.  I know that people find them.  On a couple occasions I've had tourist come up to me and show me an arrowhead they picked up.  One of those was at Wabasso.  A tourist staying at the Disney Resort showed me one she found and asked me about.

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I was so glad that the Medicare helpline helped Joe Nemeth.  I could just see him hanging on the phone in his Tequesta home waiting for an agent to help him.

And Terry Bradshaw didn't do very well with his Weight Watchers program, but he got a walk-in bath.

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I plan to do some more posts on old buttons as well as Native American finds.

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No change in beach conditions is expected real soon.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Monday, March 4, 2019

3/4/19 Report - Manual For Cataloging Old Buttons. Shipwreck Finds. Searching Paper Money for Valuable Serial Numbers.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Some Finds (Front and Back) By Joe S.
Photos by Joe S.

I just received the following email message and photos shown above.

Hello, I live in southern NJ and follow your blog all the time. I am retired and have been detecting for about 8 years. This is the first time I've decided to send you some of my finds. These pictures are some recent finds from a local beach known for shipwrecks just off the coast... 

Nice finds Joe.  Thanks for sharing.

Looks like the fronts of a couple ornate two-piece buttons, a flat button and an old nail that looks just like some of those we find on the Treasure Coast.

I get emails from around the world, even as far away as Australia.

Here is a link to an archaeological cataloging manual for buttons.

https://www.daacs.org/wp-content/uploads/buttons.pdf

Here is a part of a table from that document just to give you some idea of the type of information you can find there.

Part of Table from DAACS,org document referenced above.

You could use this table to identify the type of shank on the flat button shown above, for example.

I might add that link to my reference link list.

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Yesterday I mentioned hunting paper money.  Some paper money is worth more than face value.  It doesn't have to be old either.  I've mentioned before about what are called "fancy serial numbers."

For a few months now I've been checking the serial numbers on the paper money that passes through my hands looking for fancy serial numbers and low serial numbers that can be worth some extra money.

So far the lowest serial number I've found has four leading zeros.  Here it is.



I found a very good web site that gives good information, including approximate values for bills with low serial numbers.  Here is what it says.

Low serial numbers are really a lot of fun to see. The more leading zeros you have on a currency, the higher the value will be. However, this rule does need to be explained:

Serial number 00000001 – 00000009, most valuable
Serial number 00000010 – 00000099, always carry a premium
Serial number 00000100 – 00000999, could carry a premium
Serial number 00001000 and higher will rarely be worth more than face value


So my dollar with four leading zeros didn't quite make it, but I'm getting closer.

You might want to check out the web site. It provides a lot of good information. Here is the link.

I've seen 00000001 serial numbered bills listed for tens of thousands of dollars, but the odds of finding one are very long.


http://oldcurrencyvalues.com/low_serial_numbers/

I highly recommend the web site.  It also has information on old paper money, foreign paper money, star bills, counterfeit bills, etc. etc.

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On the Treasur Coast we haven't had much surf lately.  In a few days we'll get a bump in the surf, but only a small one.

Source: MagicSeaWeed.com

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net



Monday, November 30, 2015

11/30/15 Report - Saturday and Sunday Metal Detecting Finds. Old Buttons Found. Big Surf Predicted Next Weekend.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.




Tony's Sunday Finds.

Silver Ring Found by Tony

Tony (Penzfan) sent all of the photos shown above.  Thanks Tony and congratulations on the finds.

Here is what Tony said.

Had a bit of luck this morning at Ocean Front Beach. Pictures show a 4-6 foot cut for about 200 yards. The bottom was very mushy in parts. Did manage to pull a nice .925 ring and some coins from the 60's and 70's.

It looks like there is an old back marked button in that group of finds.  It is right below the pull tab.  That could be the most interesting find.   I'd like to see a closer view of the button and the markings.

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That wasn't the only old button found recently.  Below is one found by Jon M. at a Vero area beach Saturday afternoon.


Button Found by Jon M.




I'd like to see the back of this one after it is cleaned.  There might be some back marks.



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Today the Treasure Coast surf is supposed to be 4 - 6 feet.  The surf will be decreasing the next few days, down to about 2 or 3 feet by Friday.  After that the surf is now predicted to increase up to something like 6 - 9 feet again.  As you know the predictions do not always turn out to be accurate, so we'll have to wait to see if next weekend turns out to be as expected.  In any case, we finally are getting some improved conditions and could see a lot more through the winter.

I'm sticking with my 2 Treasure Coast beach detecting conditions rating for another day. 

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Friday, August 31, 2012

8/31/12 Report - Recent Treasure Coast Metal Detector Finds - Old Buttons



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There were some nice finds on the Treasure Coast this past week.   I've received photos of a few.


Front of Button Found by William M.

Back of Button Found by William M.

















A couple of nice old buttons were found on the Treasure Coast this week.  The photos above show William's button.
William also found a fossil sharks tooth, piece of a mastodon tusk, and horse tooth.


The photo below shows a similar period button found by another detectorist.

Another Nice Button Find.

Isaac also cut the beaches down at Jupiter and some nice shipwreck finds were recovered.  

Below is a photo of the cut at Jupiter, which was sent in by Tom Guidus of Wreckovery Salvage.

Tom found a cob and two small lead balls, which to me looked like they could have been the small balls loaded into a musket with a larger ball, the combination being called "buck and ball."


If you want to learn more about buck and ball, here is a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_and_ball



Cut at Jupiter.  Photo by Tom Guidus.
Thanks to those who sent in photos and reports.  It makes my job much easier.

Sorry I can't post every photo that I receive because of a variety of factors.  I appreciate receiving them all.  Even when I can't post a photo or report, it still helps me to get a more complete picture of what is going on, and that helps me to create a better blog.


There is a hurricane (Kirk) and a tropical storm in the Atlantic.  Both seem to be headed away from us.

We have very calm seas now.  I'm downgrading my beach conditions rating to a 1 again.

Early next week the seas are predicted to increase again, maybe up to five or six feet later in the week.

Keep watching.


Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net