Showing posts with label AIS. Show all posts
Showing posts with label AIS. Show all posts

Thursday, April 4, 2019

4/4/19 Report - Thoughts and Theories On The Gold Mystery Object. Beach Reports. More Beach Renourishment.


Written by the Treasureguide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Gold Spoon
Picture submitted by Joe D.

I received several emails concerning Terry's recent gold find.  All were excellent, and the nearly unanimous consensus is that it is a Native American decorative item (one person used the specific word gorget) made from shipwreck or Spanish gold.  Coins were mentioned most.

The bowl of the spoon in the picture above bears a remarkable resemblance to Terry's holed gold item.  There is the possibility that the gold mystery item was not made from a coin, but maybe something else, like a bar, spoon, religious item, nuggets or whatever. 

It wouldn't take much to convert the bowl of the spoon.  Even if you don't accept the idea that the item was made from a similar spoon, the spoon does suggest the idea of other possible sources.

Dan B. suggested weighing the object to see if it's weight corresponded to that of an escudo.  Terry's object weighs 4.1 grams, which is less than the weight of a 2-escudo.  A piece of the item is missing, but I don't think that is enough, but maybe it is.   Investigating the weight was great idea, but it turned out to be inconclusive in this case.

Joe D. also mentioned that the shape of the holed item looked very much like a fishing spoon and the possibility that it might have had a more practical use.

A couple people were interested in the smaller item that looked something like a roofing nail in the photo. 

I appreciate all of the ideas submitted, and found each and every one worthwhile.  It is important to be open to alternative explanations.  Some will be eliminated, but you can benefit from getting all the ideas you can and thinking it through. 

What we know now is that the gold item was found on the same stretch of beach as an old sounding lead, lead sheathing, and another small piece.  As found, the items might be taken to suggest the presence of a nearby wreck.  If I generalize from what I've read from people, the consensus seems to be that a piece of gold (possibly a coin) was discovered by a native (quite possibly Ais, as was the opinion of one archeologist), which was hammered into an pendant, and then subsequently lost in the same area.

Now we can start to think it through.  How likely does that seem, and are there other reasonable scenarios?  For example, would it seem more likely that found or salvaged gold would be carried away before being reworked and lost?  

Alternatively, if an item reworked by the local natives was indeed lost at the same site where the gold was found, how might that happen?  I'm sure you can imagine some reasonable scenarios?

Maybe the natives returned to the wreck site on multiple occasions to see what they could find..  Maybe they even had a camp there.  That idea provides a possible direction for future research.  If they returned to the site often or if they had a camp at the site, then you might expect to find more evidence of their presence - perhaps shards in the nearby dunes.

Of course there are a variety of other possibilities.  Maybe the item was manufactured by someone other than local natives, even though that seems to be the favorite theory.  Maybe it came from South America or wherever the hypothesized ship came from. Or maybe the native was on the wrecked ship.  Just a little brainstorming.  Or maybe the gold in the item was given as payment for salvage work.  That might seem like too much unless it was given to a leader for providing a crew of salvage divers.  

Terry and others mentioned that we may never be able to say much more about the item, but if you think it through, develop some theories and hypotheses, you might eventually be able to answer some of the remaining questions.  And in if you are like me, you will enjoy the problem-solving process and learn a lot as you work through it..

The find is great, but it is the story that makes it meaningful, and the process that makes it fun. 

Before closing, I want to report one more thing people said to me in the emails about the mystery item.  They said Terry is a very fine fellow.

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Joe D. reported that both Jupiter and Hobe Sound beaches are being renourished, as shown below.

Hobe Sound
Photo by Joe D.
Jupiter Inlet
Photo submitted by Joe D.



Another frequent contributor sent in the following report last night.

Riomar, Turtle Trail and Seagrape today looked to me like a lot of the sand that left recently is back. Some old broken posts that were 8 inches out of the sand are now covered...

Riomar had a lot of seaweed and the old cuts were knocked down, there were  few short cuts at the bend but were smooth and mushy in front. Targets were few and mainly just can slaw.

Turtle trail, lots of new seaweed and no cuts, scallops or other features. Aluminum high on the beach and a few iron chips low on the beach.

Seagrape was the same to the north but did not go south of the crossover.

Did not take pictures today as it was just sand and seaweed.

Thanks to everybody for the ideas and reports submitted.  Much appreciated.

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Thanks also to those who expressed appreciation for this blog.   It is encouraging to me.

The Treasure Coast surf will be only about two to three feet for a few days.

Happy hunting
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Friday, February 22, 2019

2/22/19 Report - Exploring and Finding Historic Artifacts in the Indian River Lagoon. Ancient Roman Coins Found on Tampa Beach.


Written by the TreasureGuide fore the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Source: See kayakingksc.com link below.

Álvaro Mexía on orders from the Governor of St. Augustine created a detailed map while exploring and recording the people and towns along the east coast. His journey is still easy to follow to this day and makes for an interesting kayak trip.

From June 1605 to July 1605 (mosquito & hurricane season on the east coast) Mexía mapped the coastal area of East Florida from Matanzas Inlet south to Hobe sound...

That excerpt is from the blog of a kayaking enthusiast who is also a history buff, amateur archeaologist, historian, and explorer of the Indian River Lagoon.

I think you'll find his blog interesting.

Here are a couple links that you might want to explore.



https://www.kayakingksc.com/Ais-Native-Americans-of-Kennedy-Space-Center.html

It seems he has made a lot of really nice sight finds.

There are some other great sections too, such as the one showing the paleo channels.

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Barbara Ann wrote and asked if I heard about the ancient Roman coins found on a Tampa beach.  I hadn't, but then I looked into it.

It seems a detectorist in the Tampa area found seven ancient Roman coins on the beach.

Here is a link about that find.

https://www.lifedaily.com/story/tampa-treasure-hunter-unearths-rare-coins-on-florida-beach/

There was some speculation that the coins might mean that the Romans visited Florida before Columbus.  It sounds to me like this guy is trying out for a spot on Oak Island.

Without going through all the reasons why one could be skeptical of that conclusion myself, here is someone else's take on it.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/tampa-area-man-wonders-if-roman-coins-found-on-beach-prove-pre-columbian-european-presence-in-florida

I've been talking about the need to be skeptical of reality TV.  Social media is the same.

You might not need to use much discrimination on your detector, but you need a lot of discrimination when reading the news or the internet these days.

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If you compare the Kayaking the Indian River Lagoon blog with the suggestion of Pre-Colombian Romans in America, the first source seems very trustworthy, while the second (Pre-Colombian Romans) makes me very skeptical.

I started to write a bit about the characteristic differences between trustworthy sources and those that you should cause suspicion.  Although I think that is a very important topic, it turned out to be  too long and complicated for a blog post, and it would take me quite a while to refine it.

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I showed this encrusted object and asked if you had any ideas.  I received some good thoughts on the object, but one thing I thought it could be is a pulley.  Here is one example.


Tell me why I'm wrong.

Although pulleys come in different sizes and shapes, I've never seen one with such a bulging center but some might have a cover.

On the other hand, maybe it is just a wheel.  Take a look at the wheels on this wagon.  That is the closest I've found to the shape of the round part of the EO.


Well, I'm not sure yet.  All ideas and thoughts still appreciated.  Thanks.
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Looks like the surf will remain small for a few days while the tides remain big.

Happy hunting.
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