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Tuesday, July 23, 2019

7/23/19 Report - Tropical Depression Three. Eagle Badge. Roman Fish. Epistemology and Identifying Artifacts.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Tropical Depression Three
Source: nhc.noaa.gov

It's that time of year when the Atlantic gets active and you have to be ready and alert.  Make sure your batteries are charged and your equipment is in good repair.

In the last couple of days, Tropical Depression Three formed just off the coast of Florida.  The projected path was north along the coast, but it has already fallen apart.

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Here is a find for ID.  It is about one and three sixteenths high and wide.  I'd say it is a hat badge (maybe WW II) but it is smaller than others I've found.

It should be easy enough to ID.  I just haven't taken the time to check it our yet.  Maybe someone can do it for me.

Thanks.

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Here is a good article illustrating the difficulty of artifact identification.

Source: See TheGuardian.com link below.
A fragment from a Roman bottle so exceptionally rare that it has taken glass experts from around the world two years to conclusively identify it has been discovered thousands of miles from where it was made.

The discovery at Checkworth Roman Villa  in Gloucestershire of the small shard of patterned green glass, part of an 1,800-year-old fish bottle, has astonished archaeologists...

The distinctive profile of the glass indicated it came from a long bottle with an oval shape and a sharp taper at the end. Price eventually found it matched a restored fish-shaped bottle in the collection of the Corning Museum of Glass in New York.

In an indication of its rarity, the only other example of a Roman fish bottle comes from a 2AD burial at Chersonesus in Crimea...
Here is the link for more about that.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/jul/22/mystery-of-chedworth-1800-year-old-roman-glass-shard-solved

So will it now be repatriated?

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The main subject of this blog for me, you might be surprised to learn, is epistemology.  It is the subtext of so much of what I post.

Epistemology is the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion.  Put more simply, and in the words sung by award winning Amy Adams in the movie Enchanted, it attempts to answer the question, "How do you know."

Whether you are attempting to determine where you will find things on a beach or what some dug object such as the Roman glass artifact really is, there is a process, and that process is very interesting and important to me.  The question you might ask about any belief, natural or spiritual, is "How do you know?" You should have an answer for that question, whether it satisfies anybody else or not.

Much of the time, consensus is what people are looking for.  If most people agree, or if the experts agree, then it is accepted, but there are many times when the general view has been wrong and there have been many times when the experts were wrong.  If you look at why they were wrong, you can learn a lot from that.  What types of mistakes did they make?

The article about the Roman fish bottle is a good example.  They went through a process.  They started out, like we all do at times, not having a clue, then doing the research and eventually coming to a conclusion.

Recently I've talked several times about how difficult it can be to determine the age and identify of items.   In this case, the top experts with all their resources took years to identify a single artifact.  They were lucky they found an exact match.  That doesn't always happen.

The professionals make assumptions too - sometimes more than other people.  They accept the dogma of their professional community.  It is required to a large extent.

How did they identify the Roman fish artifact?  They found an artifact that matched their piece.  How convincing is that?  Could they be wrong?  How and why?

In the near future I plan to talk about the factors that we can use to identify the age of an dug artifact. In fact, I was going to start that today, but at the last minute decided to provide this background first.  That was partly because I ran across the article about the Roman fish.

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Lightning on Clearwater Beach recently killed and injured people.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-lightning-strike-beach-8-injured

Be careful.

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Let me know what you think of the eagle pin/badge.

Happy hunting
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Sunday, October 7, 2018

10/8/18 Report - 1715 Fleet 8-escudo. Bullet, Hat Badge, and Lead Strip. Tropical Storm Michael.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

One of the Star Lots in the Upcoming Nov. 1-3 Treasure Auction in Orlando.
Here is the lot description.


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Recently Dug 50 Caliber WW II Browning Shell
Find and photo by Jerry P.
I received the above photo from Jerry P. along with the following message.

One of my stops yesterday was at the “curve” at the south side of the Ft Pierce Inlet. I found several modern coins as well as this 50-cal encrusted bullet. Who knows if it was pumped in with the new sand or was left on the beach from WWII.

Having looked at the same beach, I feel pretty confident that the bullet came with the renourishment sand.  The shallow water is covered with renourishment sand that has already washed out and the new erosion is not close to the old beach.

It is still good to know that there might be some more older items in the renourishment sand. I've found some nice WW II items in the sand from previous renourishments projects at the same beach.  Below is one of those.

Cap Badge Found in Renourishment Sand.
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Here is an old lead find that I have not figured out.  It is a lead strip, formed with three sides to fit into a corner.  The one side that would be exposed is convex.

If anyone has any ideas at all about this piece, please let me know.  It has very tiny holes every three or so inches.  There are very small holes every three inches or so.  The holes are only pin-size.

Three-sided Lead Strip.
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Two Named Storms Now.
Source: nhc.noaa.gov
Leslie is still hanging around out there, but of more interest is Tropical Storm Michael.  That one, as I suggested what seems like two or three weeks ago, seems headed into the Gulf possibly making landfall around the Florida Panhandle.

The high tides are nice and high now, and the surf is running pretty good - anywhere between three to six feet.  Too bad the direction of the swells isn't better.  Still, its better than most of this summer.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net


Saturday, November 1, 2014

11/1/14 Report - More on Hat Pins or Hat Badge And Other Finds. Hardee Hat Pin. Police Hat Badge. Holed Buffalo Nickle. Hem Weight.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.BlogSpot.com.


1916 Holed Buffalo Nickel
Find and photo by William M.

I hope your Halloween was all treats.  Here we are in he last two months of the year.  Seems like only yesterday we were beginning the new year.

There have been some nice finds lately despite the poor conditions.  I've been seeing some nice off-beach finds, and am still eagerly awaiting permission to give you the details on one very exciting project.

William M. made a couple of nice finds Wednesday.

One is this neat holed Buffalo Nickel.





He also found the hem weight shown below.

Hem weights were sown into the hem of military uniforms such as coats or frocks.


Lead Hem Weight
Find and photo by William M.



Lead weights were also used in dresses and curtains.

















Hardee Hat Pin Find
Photo submitted by Jeff C.

Yesterday I posted this picture of a find sent in by one of the readers of this blog, Jeff C.  Today I'll post Southern Digger's helpful comments about this badge.

The hat badge you posted on Treasure Coast Beach Report, Oct. 30th, is known as a Hardee Hat pin. Of course, you probably already know that, but I will continue should you want to followup. It was designed by Gen. Hardee, worn on the front of the cap during the Third Seminole War; and, on the side of the Hardee Hat during the Civil War. They are not always found complete. I purchased one from a Civil War Relics dealer Larry Hicklin in the mid-70's for only $20 back then. I dug 3/4 of one years ago at Ft. Capron and found a perfect one on a fort dig in SW Florida. Also, have several pieces of these and another type of Seminole War era Eagle pin--maybe enough to have a rebuild. 


Concerning the above badge, Christopher P. found the following information on the internet.

Worn attached to the base of the pompon by all enlisted personnel, this brass eagle, similar in general design to that worn on the shako in the 1830's, stands with wings upraised, olive branch in right talon, three arrows in left talon, and a scroll, with national motto, in beak. Above are stars, clouds, and bursts of sun rays. Officers wore an eagle of similar design of gold embroidery on cloth.

Southern Digger commented on other topics saying,  BTW... I do enjoy the photos you post of the treasure coast beaches. The one posted today, Oct. 31st looks sharp. 

Police Hat Badge
Find and photo by Southern Digger.


I'm attaching a photo of another type of hat badge (left) I dug from Ft. Meade back about 1978. The Slave cabins which were on the site of Ft. Meade were tore down many years later by a former deputy of the Chicago Police Department, who had purchased the property. I attempted to prove this was from his police uniform but could not make the connection. I did learn through internet research that this hat badge is more of a style used by Florida and other southern states. You are welcome to post this.

Southern Digger 

Thanks a lot SD and Christopher!  Very interesting.



It is always nice to see what people are finding.  I was pleased to be able to show these finds today.

As I always say, "There is always some place to hunt and something to find."


Some nice cold air came in today.  On the Treasure Coast expect another calm surf on Saturday, increasing slighty Sunday, and up to around five feet by Monday.

Nothing to watch in the tropics right now.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net