Showing posts with label conquest of Mexico. Show all posts
Showing posts with label conquest of Mexico. Show all posts

Saturday, October 24, 2015

10/24/15 Report - Surf Decreasing and Beach Conditions Rating Dropped. More On Returned Ring. Conquest of Mexico.


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Ring, Charm and Coins Found by Warren D.
Photo by Warren.

I awarded Warren Dennison the TBR Detectorist of the Month Award in yesterday's post.  I wanted to follow up on that a little today.  There were a few things I wanted to emphasize.

After eight hunts, Warren found the ring "at low tide, low on the slope on the wet sand after following a trail of old coins..." He also found a piece of a charm.  It is not unusual to find coin lines low on the slope in the wet sand.

I talk about finding coin lines not so much because I want to find the coins, but because they can lead to other things, such as rings.  This is a good example.

It is good for all of us when someone does a good deed like Dennis did.  It happens more often than we hear, so I wanted to thank Dennis for telling us about it.

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I am going to drop my Treasure Coast Treasure Beach Detecting Conditions Rating back to a 1.  That is a difficult call for me because conditions for finding old shipwreck items are still better than they were a couple of weeks ago and all summer.  It hasn't been a definite reversal with the beaches all filling in.  Still I am predicting that fewer cobs will be found now than earlier in the week, and it won't be as easy to find those few that remain.

Of course my ratings are based upon my best evidence.  There is a lot of guess work involved.  It isn't like getting on a scale and reading your weight.  Still, from all of the corroborating evidence that I've been able to gather over the years, including the results of the polls that I've conducted in the past as well as reports from other people, I'm convinced that my ratings have been fairly accurate.

As I've explained in the past, my five point scale starts with a 1 instead of a zero, because there is always some chance.    I'm willing to bet that a few more cobs will be found this weekend, but I'll also bet that it won't be as easy now.  There probably will be more people out this weekend.

For the most part, I would not expect the good holes to be getting replenished now.  Some beaches are filling a little, but that is not the only factor.  Another factor is that the easy finds have mostly been made.  One way you can improve your chances is to get away from the beach accesses and the most heavily hunted areas.  You might have to walk a mile or two.   '

For one example, if you walk south from Turtle Trail, you'll come to one flag pole, but if you keep walking, you'll come to a second flag pole.  After reaching the second flag pole, look way down towards the bend where you will see one tall palm tree with a small top sticking up above the others. You could try detecting the area down by the palm tree.  I'm not saying to do that now, because it has been checked now, but that is the type of area that will normally not be one of the most heavily detected.

There are a few ways that new coins can pop up in old hunted-out holes.  One is when someone comes along and does a better job of detecting.  Another is when just an inch or so of sand is move off the hole  in one direction or another.  It doesn't take a lot of sand being moved for a borderline detectable coin to be brought within range for a person that is detecting carefully.

Coins that were previously masked by something like perhaps a heavy streak of black sand can be more easily detected when the black sand is moved.

The thing to realize is that coins can show up in old worked-out holes after you might think they have all been removed.

And of course, when conditions are right, old holes can be replenished again and again and again.

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Several days ago I posted a link to an article about a Spanish convoy that was destroyed.  Larry G. sent me the following email recommending a couple books about the conquest of Mexico.  Here is what Larry said.

If you haven't read it yet, I must recommend to you the books, conquest of Mexico, and conquest of Peru, by William H. Prescott. The remains from the slaughter of the Spanish convoy that is being excavated now is documented on p.498, though no mention is made of the Spanish women. The place was Tezcuco, which translates as "Place of Rest." Reportedly, the Tezcucans skinned the Spaniards and hung the skins, along with their accouterments, in their temple, but that the bulk of the loot, which included looted treasure, was sent on to the Aztec emperor.

By the way, the sacrifice of Spanish captives (as with all battle captives), and the eating of them, was something the Spanish would become very familiar with before the conquest was completed. The Spanish convoy above were certainly not the only Spaniards so treated, they are the exception only in that they were utterly destroyed,  the only Spanish force I can think of during the conquest that was annihilated.

When Cortes returned to the city, he made it his headquarters for the conquest of the capital and the heavily populated valley with numbers of large cities. Tezcuco itself was a very large and beautiful city, Mexico being a heavily populated land at that time, with thriving markets, trade, and industry, highly organized, with large police forces to keep the peace in the major cities. The Mexicans were especially fond of flowers, and the cultivation, sale and display of flowers was big business. The Aztecs maintained large parks, and gardens in their cities and their suburbs. The Spaniards were astonished by the beauty of the urban and suburban areas, of course with the grand architecture of the great temples dominating the scenes. Sadly, much of this was destroyed in the conquest,the lakes were drained. forests felled,  and salt leaching destroyed the soil and the great expanses of cultivated land in Mexico valley became wastelands. Populations dwindled to a fraction of their former number, right up until the 20th century.

The books give pretty precise information as to the location of battlefields around Tezcuco, and it would be very interesting to metal detect  and generally poke around those locations.

Thanks Larry.

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Like I said, I don't expect the hunting to be as good this weekend as earlier in the week, yet I do expect a few cobs to be found.  The surf will be decreasing throughout the week.  That means the cliffs won't be eroding much more, but on the positive side of things, it might give you a chance to detect a little farther out on the beach than you could before.

The really good news is that the beaches haven't completely refilled yet.  In fact they've only refilled a small amount.  Hopefully they won't completely refill before the next period of erosion comes along.  And if we are really lucky, the level of sand will remain down all through the winter.  We had such a long period of accretion, now maybe we'll get a long period of decreasing sand levels.  It could happen.  At least we can hope.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Thursday, October 15, 2015

10/15/15 Report - A Find's History May Be More Complex Than You Think. Million Dollar Historic Photo Found. 600-Year-Old Warship Found. Nine Foot Surf Coming.


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Gold Snuff Box Held By Captain Jonah Martinez
Electrolysis Tank At The
Conservation Lab in Sebastian




















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The tendency is to over-simplify.  If you find an old item, the tendency is to believe that it was simply lost there.  That might be the case sometimes, but there are also times when things are moved two, three or more times, and they can be moved in ways that are seldom considered.

Years ago I found an escudo that the evidence suggests could have been lost and recovered three different times.  It seems it was once lost in a shipwreck, then salvaged and put on another ship, which sank and was lost again.  It was then salvaged by a salvage company and sold and then lost in the ocean at a resort and then found again.  That would be a remarkable sequence of events, but very possible.

It might not be possible to trace a specific coin's history like that very often, but I'm sure that many coins have a similarly interesting history.  When you find an item, don't assume that it was simply dropped where it was found.  A lot could have happened to it.

It is easy to think of a shipwreck dumping items in the ocean, but often forgotten is the mining of the gold and silver, transport of the raw materials to the mint, and the trip from the mint overland and by sea to the port where they were loaded onto the ship that eventually sank.  It is also easy to forget the chaos during the storms and sinking, and the first attempts at recovery, the movement along the beach to a salvage camp, and the movement of salvaged items.  And then there were the pirates, individual thefts, and salvaged by the natives.

I've read where gold chains from shipwrecks were hung in trees.  If you found one of those chains, it might be found alone and with no clue as to why it was found where it was.  You would know that it got there somehow and that would tell you to check for more items, but you probably wouldn't find much else - certainly nothing like if it was found at a shipwreck site or salvage camp site.

The point I am making is that items may have a more complex history than we think.  There are many ways that things can end up where they are found - especially when you consider a period of hundreds of years.  It isn't always a simple matter of things going down with the ship and then being washed onto a beach.  There are a lot things that can happen at different times. There are a lot of ways that items can be moved and lost and found again. Items that are lost are not always lost once.

I suspect that during salvage, items that were picked up were occasionally lost again.  Ropes slip, chains break, and things can be dropped.  That all contributes to the distribution pattern, and means that things can be found where they are not expected.

Even when it comes to modern items, things can be lost and found multiple times.  In the process they can be moved from one location to another - sometimes far away.  That sort of thing is perhaps most obvious at resorts where items are brought from around the world and lost at the resort.  For some items, such as foreign coins, it you might suspect that they have traveled long distances before being lost, but for many, you might never guess how many times they have been lost and found or how they have moved around the world.

I've found items that I lost and found again.  I remember one thin gold chain with a medallion (made in Italy by the way) that I dug up and put in my pocket.  It was probably a couple of miles back to the car and my pocket had a small hole in it and the chain was dropped about half way back to the car.  I walked back along the beach and was lucky enough to find it again.  But the point I am making, is that right there in a very small amount of time, the object was found after having been lost, moved, lost again and found again.

I have no doubt that some of the items I've found and returned have been lost again, or perhaps sold and resold or maybe given away.

Think about the journey that cobs and other items have made.  Think about where the silver or gold was mined and where the cobs were minted.  Think about the trip they made before they were loaded onto the ship.  Think about the chaos of a hurricane, and how things are spread around.  Think about the early recovery efforts and the attempt to assemble and store things before transporting them again.  And think about all of the things that could happen at any part of the process.

Just because you find an item at such and such a place doesn't mean that its journey was simple or that the object didn't take many side trips along the way.  We'll never know about many of those side trips, but it might be worth considering the various possibilities.

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Among a group of photos purchased for $2 was a rare photo of Billy the Kid playing croquet, which is thought to be worth a million dollars or more.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/rare-photo-bought-2-may-now-worth-millions-184506393.html

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Aerial photography helps find a 600-year-old warship buried in river mud.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/archaeology/11924909/600-year-old-Henry-V-warship-found-in-Hampshire-river.html

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Still the big news for me is the predicted five to nine foot seas for the Treasure Coast this coming Monday.   That prediction has held steady for a couple of days.  That doesn't always happen.  We still have four days to go.

The wind is supposed to be mostly out of the north up until then and then get stronger and more easterly.  I'd rather they continue from the north.

Nonetheless, that is something to watch and be ready for.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net