Showing posts with label aztec. Show all posts
Showing posts with label aztec. Show all posts

Thursday, January 16, 2020

1/16/20 Report - Cortes' Aztec Gold Bar Plunder Analyzed. Beach Reports and Photos.


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A new scientific analysis of a large gold bar found decades ago in downtown Mexico City has confirmed it was part of the plunder Spanish conquistadors abandoned as they beat a temporary retreat from the Aztec capital...

A year later, Cortés would return and lay siege to the city, which was already weakened with supply lines cut and diseases that accompanied the Spanish invaders taking a toll.

The bar was originally discovered in 1981 during a construction project some 16ft (5m) underground in downtown Mexico City – which was built on the ruins of the Aztec capital Tenochtitlán – where a canal that would have been used by the fleeing Spaniards was once located.

The bar weighs about 2kg (4.4lb) and is 26.2cm (10.3in) long, 5.4cm wide and 1.4cm thick...


Here is the  link for more about that.


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I received a the following beach reports and photos by Steve M.

We got to Turtle Trails at just after sunrise.    Pretty smoothed down beach.   Less sand than a few weeks ago.   We went north to just about Sea Grape.   Just a couple modern nails.    Real deep. 


Turtle Trail Early Morning 1/15
Photo by Steve M.

Turtle Trail Early Morning 1/15
Photo by Steve M.


Turtle Trail Early Morning 1/15
Photo by Steve M.

After Turtle we headed north. Wabasso was still closed until the 20th. We went to Golden Sands then to Bonsteel Park. Beach re- nourishments going on as we were there. Talked to somebody they said all the way to Melbourne. We didn’t do any detecting on this leg.


Golden Sands 1/15
Photo by Steve M.


Bonsteel 1/15
Photo by Steve M.


Renourishment Project at Bonsteel 1/15
Photo by Steve M.
If you've been wondering about any of these beaches, you can thank Steve M. for sharing the photos.

Thanks Steve!

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Looks like we'll have a nice increase in surf Friday that will last just a couple tide cycles.


MagicSeaWeed.com.
Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Sunday, May 5, 2019

5/5/19 Report - Valuable Gold Pendant Beach Find. Gold Coins Found. More On The Copper Bracelet. Trained Marine Animal.


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Two Sides of Gold Pendant Found on Beach.
Photo by Mag

This is a curious one for me.  I received an email from Mag, who said her son found this pendant "under a rock on the beach in San Diego."  Mag says it was taken to a jeweler who said it was 39 grams of "pure" gold, and the jeweler offered $2000.  That would be very close to the value of the gold content.  Another guy reportedly offered 120K.  I don't know why that would be, but as I was writing this I noticed something.  There appears to be a mark under the ankh.  I can't make it out in the photo, but could it be a Tiffany Art Deco piece or perhaps a work by a famous artist?  It does appear to be a quality piece.

Great find!  And thanks for sharing.

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I got an email from John E. who said, ......a guy that works for me told me he and his wife were looking for shells on Cumberland Island (Georgia/Florida border) after a hard blow back in 2007-2008....lots of great shells , but found 3 gold coins ( irregular shape according to him) under some shells and a "game warden " walked over and told him...."those are the property of the state of Georgia" I will have to take them, and he gave the coins to him. Can this be true?

I mentioned relevant issues and how it could definitely be true.

I know that Cumberland Island is a very historic place, and it could well have been found on state lands or a designated historic or archaeological site.  Also I mentioned the mean high tide line.

Whether the warden's actions were justified or not, it would have been nice if the finder got a photo of the coins and got the name of the warden for possible follow-up.

It is good to have a camera with you.  It can help document situations and help you demonstrate when you are in the right.

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One more person provided some thoughts on the copper bracelet found by Terry S.   Laura Strolia sent me an article which included the following sentence.  ... it is not uncommon for Aztec artist to create generalized deity figures that are based on the likeness of a particular deity and imbued with her characteristics, while not directly representing that deity....  

Attempting to briefly summarize the email and article that Laura sent me, I think it would be fair to say that the copper bracelet might show a stylized deity consistent with an Aztec, Mexican or South American cultural influence.

Here is the link to the article Laura sent.

https://howardnowes.com/gallery/detail.cfm?itemnum=12934

Laura also mentioned to me the popularity of copper arts and crafts jewelry from the 1960s and 1970s.  I've found quite a bit of that.

Thanks Laura.

I did my first post on this topic too soon.  I should have waited a few days.

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Very often my first response to an email or question isn't my best response.  For example, in the case of the gold pendant shown above, I responded to the email before noticing the faint sign of a  mark below the ankh, and I didn't think of the possibility of the item being an antique like those that were popular during Art Deco period.  I also didn't initially think of the possibility of it being made by a famous artist or company such as Tiffany.  I very often regret answering quickly and have to add to or edit my response.  That happened at least three different times this week.

Mag originally contacted me after seeing the gold Cleopatra pendant find that I posted by in 2013.  I had actually forgotten about that.

Yesterday's post on bottles sent me back through a tour of my old bottle posts.  That tour reminded me of a lot of other old finds that I forgot.  I also was reminded of my original intentions for my Bottle Barn site, which I haven't added to in a long time.

Some of the short paragraphs I post take me a long time to write.  One famous author - I forget who now - apologized to someone for writing such a long letter, and explained it was because he didn't have enough time.  It can take a lot of time to boil things down to a clear concise statement.  It is sometimes much quicker and easier to ramble on.

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I just took my first look at the recently concluded Sedwick auction and noticed that many lots went for two, three or more times the upper auction estimate.

The nice Santiago Chile quarter reales did very well, as did the blue and white Ming dynasty china.  Those are just two categories that stuck out to me on my first look.

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Perhaps you saw the reports of the Beluga Whale wearing a harness that turned up around Norway.  The news sources seem to be calling it a Russian spy.

Here is that link.


Animals, including marine animals such as dolphins, have been trained for military functions.  I wonder what a trained sea otter could do?  I think he might be pretty good at diving for coins or whatever you trained him to look for.  Just a fun thought.

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It looks like in a few days we might get one day of three to five-foot surf.  Otherwise the surf will be more like two or three foot.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Wednesday, October 11, 2017

10/11/17 Report - How The Competition Can Actually Help You If You Effectively Analyze Your Finds. A Twist on the Spanish Conquest.


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As you know I cover a wide variety of topics.  Once in a while I get on a particular topic and stick to it for a while before changing again.  For a few weeks I was on the weather and developing beach conditions.  Sometimes I'll be on beach dynamics or treasure coins, or metal detectors or strategies techniques or equipment.  Sometimes even things like fossils, sea glass or Native American artifacts.

Lately I've been talking about one 8-mile stretch of beach that I detected a lot in the past.  I'll  talk a little more about that today, particularly two of the better modern jewelry beaches.

The first I described as "a very narrow swimming beach where a lot of people crowded on nice days.  It produced a lot of good quality jewelry on a regular basis."  The jewelry finds were generally good quality and seemed to be a good representative sample of what the people wore there.

On the other hand, there was another jewelry beach that I described as " a good hole.  It was in front of an active high-scale resort.  Not as many items as in zone 1, but higher quality.  Some very good finds came from there even though there was known competition.  I believe that it was resort staff.  A fellow stood and watched me working the water one day and left cursing when he saw me dig a gold chain in very shallow water.  I could tell that  a lot of my finds from there were not the easy finds and were things somebody could easily miss."

The things I found there were not things that were easy to detect.  The average and large size things never appeared.  It was always a very thin gold ring with a good gem, or a small gold chain, or something else that might easily be missed by the detector.  Finds were not frequent but they were good. There was no junk and very few coins. 

If you carefully analyze what is being found or not found, you can tell a lot about a site and modify how you hunt accordingly.  Since I knew there were very few junk targets and few big targets, I could really pump up the sensitivity turn off discrimination and hunt slow and listen for the small signals.  Overall, it was very productive hunting.

Once I was traveling on business and stopped at a roadside beach with a couple picnic tables near Pensacola.  There were four posts marking out a square area in front of the picnic tables.  I started hunting found the are within the square marked by the posts thoroughly cleaned out so I moved just outside the square area and found three gold rings in a very short time.  Whoever was working that area on a regular basis, worked the square but left the area just outside the square untouched.

My point is to carefully analyze finds and junk to determine what is going on and then make adjustments.  The competition can actually help you out if you figure out how to take advantage of what they are or aren't doing.

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Monday was Columbus Day, and as you would expect, in response to any mention of a celebrated historic or national cultural event that at one time played any roll in fostering national identity, we are treated to a parade of contrary boring poorly-thought-out  incessantly-repetitious emotion-driven arguments by dissenters for their "favorite" group, skin color, nationality, ideology or whatever.  I am all in favor of presenting "the other side."  In fact I highly recommend and encourage exactly that.  I only want the argument to be thorough, consistent and justified by something other than myth, repetition and emotion.

Victim-hood attracts sympathy.  I understand that, but being a victim does not automatically make you right.  It does not grant merit.

The Spanish ( or Europeans or Whites - however you want to define your favorite group or your favorite hate group) conquistadors did terrible things.  I am not defending that at all.  However, the Maya and Aztec, foe example, appeared to have little aversion to violence, human sacrifice, war, slavery, or territorial expansion, all of which existed in the New World before Columbus arrived.

The difference is not that one group was evil and the other inherently good.  The big difference came down to the fact that one group was more successful in effecting the evil in their heart.  I have no reason to believe that if the Aztecs, for example, had the ships, army and war technology to project power overseas, that they would develop a non-violent non-aggressive culture and limit the evil they would do.   I see no reason to believe that if they had the power to project domination that they would not have done the same thing to North America and Europe and we might be speaking some strange language today.

I accept that the more powerful group is responsible for the greater damage done, but not having the ability to do more damage hardly makes you a better person.  It was not that one group was completely good and the other completely evil.  No group is completely good or evil - especially not any group defined by such superficial simplistic things as skin color, ancestry, race, national identity or culture.  We have to learn to look at things in less simplistic terms, and we need to start looking at people as individuals - not just group members.  We need to get over this obsession with skin color, race and nationality.   No person is perfect.  Neither are groups.

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The poll is progressing nicely.  Not much longer to get your responses in.  I know that some people have not responded because I know of some finds in areas that still have zero votes. 

Please respond before it is too late.  I think this is one of my more interesting polls.

Thanks!

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Compared to September there isn't much excitement.  The surf isn't huge, yet it isn't real small now.

I haven't been able to get out lately, but hope you have.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net



Thursday, July 13, 2017

7/13/17 Report - 1715 Fleet Capitana Escudo Find. Wolf Gold Burial Hoard.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Illustration of 1714 Mexico Two-Escudo .
Source: Sewall Menzel's Book, Cob's, Pieces of Eight and Treasure Coins.
The two-escudo from the Menzel book shown above looks very much like the one found by Grant that I showed yesterday.

 The one found by Grant does not show the date or mint or assayer mark, however it does show some clues to those things.  It does show the denomination in roman numerals to the right of the shield.

The escudo I showed yesterday, like the one shown in the illustration above, seems to be a Mexico two-escudo, probably from 1714.  It is also similar to the one posted in my 5/24/16 post.

One of the biggest clues to the cob's date is the Bourbon crest which covers the lower-right castle and pomegranate.  I outlined the shield of Bourbon in the illustration below.

Shield of Bourbon Highlighted on Two-Escudo.
Here are a few interesting observations relative to such escudos.

In 1977, Bowers and Ruddy sold a very similar one for $250.  That was about the going rate back then.  The dollar was worth about four times more in 1977, so you might expect the value of a similar two-escudo today to be worth about $1000 if you just made a simple adjustment for inflation.  Of course, there are other factors that affect the market value.

I've seen similar two escudos running for just over $1000.   A similar two-escudo having the mint mark and date in excellent condition might be more like $2500 or $3500.  I'm just talking in very general terms.  You could look through Sedwick auction results and find a very comparable escudo for price comparison.  I didn't do that.

The melt value of the escudo, with today's gold prices, would be about $245, close to what the Bowers and Ruddy cob sold from in 1977 when the price of gold was just over $160 per ounce.

I'm not expert on cobs, so if anything I said here is wrong, let me know.

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Source: See reuters link below.

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A sacrificial wolf elaborately adorned with some of the finest Aztec gold ever found and buried more than five centuries ago has come to light in the heart of downtown Mexico City, once home to the Aztec empire's holiest shrines...

Here is the link.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-archaeology-aztecs-idUSKBN19S1RA?feedType=RSS&virtualBrandChannel=11563

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There are no tropical depressions or storms in the Atlantic or Gulf.  We got the remains of old Tropical Depression Four yesterday, which resulted in a day of rain and some lightning.

The surf today on the Treasure Coast will be about two to four feet, and tomorrow, two to three feet.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Monday, May 9, 2016

5/9/16 Report - Mandala Designs: European and Aztec Cultures. 16th Century Gold Imports to Spain. Adventures of Cabeza de Vaca.


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Example of Mandala.
https://redice.tv/news/on-the-nature-of-four-jung-s-quarternity-mandalas-the-stone-and-the-self

You probably have heard the word "mandala."  It seems every major culture has used mandalas. Sometimes they are referred to as "squared circles."  Some of them seem to me to be more like quartered circles - circles divided into four parts. Above is one of an infinite variety.  This particular example can be found all over the internet.

Just the other day it occurred to me that the design displayed on many cobs is that of a mandala.  Below is an example.  Not the absolute best example, but it will serve.

1711 Mexico One-Escudo From The Curren Sedwick Coins Auction.

Another example would be the Aztec calendar wheel below.


Is this all just coincidence or making too much of nothing?  Or is it something more?

I can certainly see how an Aztec or Incan might see something familiar in the design of a cob, and how the cob might become an object of meditation for the mystically inclined from either the Old or New World.

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Conquest of Peru by Francisco Pizarro brought the destruction of the fine gold treasures of the Chimu and Inca peoples. The ransom for the Inca emperor Atahualpa alone yielded around 150,000 ounces. Total looting of wonderful ornaments in South America may have provided over 250,000 ounces, reflected in the jump in Spanish imports 1531-40 (see box). Most ornaments were melted down for coin.

The above table and paragraph are from the following linked site where you can learn more about gold supplies.

http://info.goldavenue.com/info_site/in_arts/in_mill/16thcentury.htm

There was an edict in the 16th century that the gold ornaments sent to Spain would be melted and made into coin.  The Seville mint produced that coinage made from New World sources.  Of course then some of that coinage would find its way back to the New World.

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In this excerpt from La Relación, published in 1542, the Spaniard Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca relates how he and several others escaped their enslavement by an American Indian tribe on the upper Gulf Coast of present-day United States. As they come upon another town of Indians, the Spaniards are taken as faith healers and welcomed. Cabeza de Vaca and his compatriots—Andrés Dorantes de Carranza, Alonso del Castillo Maldonado, and an enslaved Moroccan Berber named Esteban—were the only survivors of an expedition launched by Pánfilo de Narváez in 1528. They journeyed from present-day Florida and through the American Southeast, finally arriving in Mexico City in 1536.

Below is the link to the excerpt describing some of the adventures of Cabeza de Vaca in the New World.  He was shipwrecked, became a slave and then a healer to the natives, and was later appointed to office in South America.  Really good reading.

http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/The_Healers_an_excerpt_from_La_Relacion_by_Alvar_Nunez_Cabeza_de_Vaca_1542

If you want to read more about this  fellow, look up La Relacion.

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I started a few new object cleaning projects and will have photos of those for your soon.  

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net