Showing posts with label rigging. Show all posts
Showing posts with label rigging. Show all posts

Wednesday, August 14, 2019

8/14/19 Report - Mystery Find and Shipwreck Rigging Artifacts. Thesis on Rigging of La Belle. Discrimination Use.


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A few days ago I posted this find by Glen S. who wanted to know what it is and wondered if it could be a part of a ship's rigging.  The object is about a foot and a half in length.

Ron J. provided the first response saying that the large concreted object could be a "through-deck ring-bolt" used to run a line through to control any number of things like a cannon, cargo, sails, etc.

DJ said it might be a deadeye strap.  Many of those are found pictured in the reference I'll refer to below.

Joe D. said Glen S's item looks like the attachment part of an anchor, or a rigging attachment?

DJ provided a link to an excellent thesis on artifacts found on LaBelle which sank in the 1860s.

The thesis says, Nearly 160 artifacts associated with La Belle’s rigging were excavated in addition to hundreds of lengths of rope and cable. This amount of surviving rigging places La Belle’s artifacts among the few significant 17th-century rigging assemblages such as Vasa and Kronan. La Belle’s assemblage stands out still more because of its large percentage of iron hull fixtures, with the result that approximately 30% of the blocks and deadeyes in the reconstructed rig are represented by recovered artifacts...

Here is the link to that study with many more examples.


I've selected three illustrations from that study to show below.

First is a deadeye strap, then a futtock plate, and then a ringbolt.



Example 1.






Example 2.






Exanple 3.







Taking a look at the photo of the found object, the ring appears to be either articulated or the object bent.  It seems to me that articulated is a good possibility.  Example one and other similar artifacts shown in the thesis are articulated.   The length of the found object is just under one and a half foot.
The ringbolt shown immediately above is 41.5 cm.  That converts to about 1.3 feet - pretty close to the length of the found object.

Ron wondered if the item might be a part of a ship's rigging.  It appears that it could be, but ringbolts and similar objects are also used for applications other than nautical, so we can't say for sure.  Additional nautical finds in the same area might help.

The LaBelle thesis shows a lot of  interesting artifacts and provides a lot of good information on 17th century ship's rigging.  You might want to take a look at that document.

One example in the thesis (fig. 23, if I correctly recall) had a large piece of wood still attached.  Wood being attached means the item could be found a distance from any ballast or other items from the same wreck, if a shipwreck is indeed the source.

Thanks to all those who responded to the request for thoughts and opinions.  Although we cannot say for certain that Glen's find came from a shipwreck, I think we all learned something, and I hope we helped Glen.

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Just a quick note on what I said about the Minelab Equinox metal detector test that I did the other day with the steel pennies.   As I said, in the default field mode, steel pennies produced no auditory signal or conductivity number.  However, what I neglected to say is that the default field mode discriminates out the bottom fifth of the items on the conductivity scale.  That means that iron will be discriminated.  The thing I should have mentioned is that you can easily change the discrimination level so you do get a signal from iron.  I used the field mode but turned the discrimination off this morning and the steel pennies produced a low tone and a -8 on the conductivity scale.

You might remember that I didn't know if the coin I was trying to identify was a corroded steel penny or perhaps a German coin.  After changing the discrimination setting and testing with the steel penny, I threw out a 1980s German coin.  I didn't pay particular attention to which denomination it was, but it was a small one from the 1980s.  The German coin produced a -6 on the conductivity scale.  I never liked those German coins.  They really fall apart.  At least they are a little better than our zinc pennies.

There are a lot of features and adjustments you can make with the Equinox.  I'll probably never use many of them.  Being from the old school, I always wonder why people take so much time checking and double checking readings when you can dig something up in two seconds.  There are people that will argue with me about that, but it is often quicker to simply dig it.  If you have a bad back or just hate digging junk, you might, however, prefer to check, even if it takes you longer before you dig.

There are also those who will say, all I have to do is glance at the conductivity reading and I can skip pennies, pull tabs, or whatever it is.  That's fine, but sometimes good things give a reading that doesn't look much good.  If you skip all of the -8 readings, for example, you'll skip a lot of trash, but you will also skip steel pennies and other things.  Again that is fine, if that is your strategy.  It depends upon the situation and what you want to do.  I would do it too under some circumstances, but you should be aware of the risk and make the decision strategically.

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I'd like to be able to metal detect Little St. James Island.

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Shipwreck in Aegean Sea.
Source: See LiveScience link below.

Divers Find 2,000-Year-Old Shipwreck Graveyard Near Tiny Greek Island

Here is that link.

https://www.livescience.com/ancient-shipwrecks-found-in-aegean.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=organic


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There are no change in Treasure Coast beach conditions, and no signs of storms forming.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Sunday, August 11, 2019

8/11/19 Report - Two Finds for ID. One From Treasure Shores and One From the Gulf. Your Help Needed.


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Unidentified Underwater Find.
Find and photo by Glen S.
You could possibly help find a shipwreck if you can identify this find.  As you can see below, it is slightly less than one and a half feet long.

Here is an email I received from Glen s.

I have been searching for a shipwreck over here on the west coast of Florida that L.Frank Hudson gave a general location for in one of his books. Today I was metal detecting in the water offshore and found a strange iron item and some lead sheeting about a foot under the sand. Can anyone help me identify the item? Could this be part of the ship's rigging? I've attached pictures of the items. The iron piece weighs 26.6 pounds. 

Thanks.

Here are more pictures of the item and the small piece of lead sheeting.

Two More Views of the Object Found by Glen S.



Small Piece of Lead Sheeting Found With Other Object.
Find and photos by Glen S.
  Any and all thoughts and opinions on the possible use or identify of the item are appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Small Bronze Pot Found by Jerry S.
Photos by Jerry S.



Here is another find for ID.  Jerry P. found it last summer near the south end of Treasure Shores beach where salvage boats were working just offshore.

Here is a bit of what Jerry said.

If you hunt long enough you will have a jar, cigar box, shoe box or in my case a large rubbermaid tote full of mystery objects... 

...sometimes an object becomes a clue and remembering where you found it is key to finding something valuable. If you don’t know don't throw and remember where you found it. Here is a mystery item from my tote...

There are no markings on it, it’s darn heavy and it’s just under 3 inches around. 


Jerry thought it might be bronze.  And as he said, just under three inches around and heavy.

It looks like maybe a lid was once attached.

He had an idea what he thought it might be, but I want to get your opinions before telling you what Jerry or I think because I want YOUR opinions.

Again, all thoughts and opinions are appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


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It has been hot, but the water has been fine.  Now the surf is only one foot or less and that is predicted for the next week or so.

There are no new weather systems on the National Hurricane Center map.

Let me know what you think of both of the objects for ID today.

Happy hunting
TreasureGuide@comcast.net