Showing posts with label coin cache. Show all posts
Showing posts with label coin cache. Show all posts

Sunday, November 25, 2018

11/25/18 Report - Some Ideas About Coin Caches. What Are Your Dug Coins Trying To Tell You?


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Coin Found Friday.

Did you ever notice that most coin caches are found by accident? Very few coin caches are found as a result of a hunt for that specific cache.  You can prove that for yourself by doing a little research.  If you do a Google search, you'll find that most caches are discovered purely by accident.  Gardening accounts for a few. Some have been dug up by dogs or other animals.  Some have been found by spelunkers.  Very often someone is just searching a field or conducting an archaeological dig when they discover a cache.

A cache of gold, dollars and euros found in a garden outside of Gaddafi's stronghold.  

A cache is typically described in terms of the quantity of coins, dates, denomination and types of coin.  The earliest and most recent dated coins and distribution of dates is often significant.

The container is also significant.  It seems a good number of caches are buried in canning jars, others in metal or ceramic containers and many in bags of some type.  Cloth containers often deteriorate and disappear.  Most often they are not buried deep - at least not those that are discovered.

As with any find, it can be difficult to learn much from a cache if without information about the context.  Archaeological context  refers to the place where an artifact is found, including the soil, the site type, the layer the artifact came from, what else is found in that layer or area, including remnants of buildings and things.

I've talked before about how dates on coins can be misleading. I won't go over that again now.

I saw a new episode of the Oak Island TV show the other day.  I had pretty much lost interest, but was encouraged by the Seismic Scanning Survey.  Up until that time their search had been, with the exception of the sample holes, unfocused and disorganized.  The sample drill holes from last season and the seismic survey of this season are the two most reasonable things they've done.

As a scientist, I like to see defined goals and theories that give rise to hypotheses that can be tested.  I prefer a thorough systematic approach.  After a while, running around in circles and making wild claims about miscellaneous isolated surface finds deposited over the history of the island is at first comical but eventually becomes tiring.

 Hopefully the seismic scan will keep them focused.  I know they have to get enough video for a season of TV, and the miscellaneous surface finds do that, but the surface finds are misdirected energy and don't do much to answer the big question of what, if anything, is buried in the shafts or vault.

I'm not talking about a leisurely metal detecting outing here.  If you just want a leisurely hunt and there is no big question or puzzle to be solved, you can go about it any way you want, but when you have a specific targeted cache or treasure, a lot of research and a more scientific approach is wise.  Old maps that show the island in centuries past could be very helpful.

A few targeted caches have been found as the result of good thorough research.  Ron Pastore has reportedly found some of the smaller Jesse James caches, even though the big James cache has not yet been found.  Some criticize Pastore's book, Jesse James' Secret, which they claim is full of mistakes, but Pastore has appeared on the History Channel's documentary, Jesse James' Hidden Treasure ,and was also discussed at some length in Jack Myers' book Knights' Gold.

Here is an interesting web site presenting Pastore's materials on the James treasure.

 http://jessejamesphotoalbum.com/the-rj-pastore-collection/

When a random coin cache is found, it can be difficult to figure out where it came from and why it was buried.

Here is a brief excerpt about a Nazi cache find.

An amateur archaeologist in Germany has found a historic collection of gold coins worth around 45,000 euros, probably buried during the Nazi era or shortly after World War Two, experts said on Wednesday.

Armed with a metal detector, Florian Bautsch found 10 coins in a hollow under a tree near the northern town of Lueneburg and professionals then excavated another 207.


They are of French, Belgian, Italian and Austro-Hungarian origin and date from 1831 to 1910.

Two aluminum seals featuring swastika crosses, eagles and the words "Reichsbank Berlin 244" were also discovered under the field with the coins. Germany's central bank was called "Deutsche Reichsbank" during the Nazi era and an analysis of the metal in the seals suggests they were made some time after 1940.

"This was all found under a pine tree that is around 50 years old ... and that must have grown afterwards ... so we know it must have been buried in the last days of the war or shortly afterwards," Mario Pahlow, a local archaeologist, told Reuters...


And here is the link for more about that one.

https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Nazi-gold-cache-buried-at-end-of-war-or-after-found-in-Germany-409096

You might want to take a look at that one.  It provides some good hints and tips.

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Dime Found Friday.
The past couple days I went out to see what was going on at the beach.  On Friday I did a few minutes of detecting at a couple beaches.  At the first beach I found the dime shown above.  It was discolored but otherwise looked in pretty good shape.  Just a clad find.  I was surprised by the date when I got it home and took a look.  Only one year off being silver.  It looked pretty much like the other coins that I was getting at that particular beach.  Nothing real old.

I then moved to a beach that had been renourished probably about a year ago.  The coins there looked different.  You can see one of those at the very top of this post.  It is a heavily encrusted and worn quarter.  It had more crust on it when I dug it up.  I just brushed some of the crust off, but still can not see a date.

As you can see beside being encrusted it is heavily worn.

Closer Look At Edge of Same Quarter Shown Above.
You can see how worn the edge is.  You might think it has been out there a while.  It sure looks like it.

Here is another coin found at the second beach.  I found it after the quarter.


Penny Found At Same Beach As the Quarter.
The penny is also encrusted with similar color shell bits, but the discoloring and encrustation is not as complete as on the quarter.

Also unlike the quarter, you can see that the lettering on this coin is still sharp.  It must have been lost nearly new.  The penny, however, is at least as recent as 2008.  I can't make out the third digit at this time.  So even though it is encrusted fairly heavily, it has not been out there a very long time.

These shield cents deteriorate in regular circulation, but this one has held up well even though it is encrusted.  It doesn't look like it took long to become encrusted.

While I can't say for sure, it looks like the encrusted coins from the second beach might have been dumped with the renourishment sand.  I'll have a better idea of that when I clean the penny enough to see the remaining digit of the date.

My point here is that you can sometimes get some useful information from the condition of the coins you find.

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The Treasure Coast surf is supposed to be around two to four feet today.  

The wind continues out of the west and the tides remain high 


Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net


Thursday, November 16, 2017

11/16/17 Report - Cache of Silver and Gold 12th Century Coins. Nice Old Ring. Beach Sign. Clad Coins.


Writen by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeacesreport.blogspot.com.

Signet Ring Uncovered Along With Coin Cache
Photo by Alexis Grattier
See link below.

More than 2,000 silver and gold coins from the 12th century were found buried in the rubble as the archaeologists were digging the ground to try and identify the corner of an infirmary that was once situated at the abbey, said the researchers from University of Lyon II and France's National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS)....


Cache of Coins Uncovered.
Source: See link below.

The medieval loot included 2,200 deniers (or pieces of silver) mostly issued by Cluny Abbey itself as well as 21 gold dinar coins, originally from the Middle East which were stored in a canvas bag... 


Gold Dinars Recovered with Coin Cache
Photo by Alexis Grattier
See link below.

Here is the link to read more about that.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171115/medieval-treasure-trove-discovered-by-archaeologists-in-france


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Joe D. sent the following message and find photos.

Just returned from my semiannual trip to Georgia to visit family! Of course I had to throw in a little detecting while there! On the last day ( yesterday) in my last few minutes of detecting some old torn down house lots, I found a nice silver solitaire about 5 inches down! Got confusing signals, but dug anyway! It was near other metal of course! And I was lucky to find it at all! Here's a before and after polishing! I will have to get the stone tested, but the ring says sterling! Looks to be pretty old! Also found some wheaties and some other interesting house stuff! 



Sterling Silver Ring Find After Cleaned.
Find and photo by Joe D.


Same Ring as Found by Joe D.

 Joe also mentioned a show on Netflix called "Detectorists." He said, "It's from the BBC! So English humor, but there are 2 seasons and it's pretty good! Don't know if you have heard of it, but it's not a reality show! Worth a look! Takes a few episodes to get into, but I think you will appreciate the finer points of the story! I bing watched the first season already!"


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Darrel S. dug up the following sign on the beach a few days ago.  It reads "Stay Off Dunes."


Find and photo by Darrel S.

Darrel said the parking lot at Turtle Trail was full yesterday while the lot at Seagrape was empty.

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Tuesday I detected less than an hour, which I think was still the most that I had a chance to do all year.   No serious detecting or anything, just a little quick entertainment.   I mentioned that there were coins on the beaches of South Hutchinson Island.  Here is what i found with my little light-weight Ace 250.

Coins and Crematory Tag Found Tuesday.

Couldn't tell what the crematory tag was until I got it cleaned.

Looks like we'll have a few more days or three to five foot surf.  I'd say beach conditions are still what I'd rate as a level 2.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Friday, July 28, 2017

7/28/17 Report - One-Ton Coin-Cache Found by Couple Detectorists. Slow and Systematic Does It. Microchiping.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Partially Cleaned Clump of 69,000 Coins.
Source: See link below.

What would a one-ton clump of coins sound like?  I don't know.  It depends upon how deep it was and maybe some other things, but whatever it sounded like, I bet it didn't sound like what most detectorists would dig.  It wouldn't show up correctly identified on any ID meter.  To find unusual things, you can't do what a lot of people do and pass up questionable signals.

What is the biggest cache every found?  I don't know that either, but this cache of coins weighed a ton and held 69,000 coins.  The cache, which was clumped together with earth, was painstakingly disassembled over a period of three years.  There were also some gold torques that seasoned the pot.


In 2012, a pair of veteran metal detectorists on Jersey in the British Channel Islands discovered a gargantuan coin hoard in a field they had been searching off and on for three decades. The hoard was the largest ever to have been found in Britain and appeared to have the potential to transform interpretations of Jersey’s history. But first it had to be moved. Just getting it out of the ground was fraught with tension. “With earth still attached, it weighed over a ton,” says Neil Mahrer, a museum conservator with Jersey Heritage. “We had no idea how strong it was, in that it was only held together by the corrosion between the coins.”

Here is the link for more about that.

http://www.archaeology.org/issues/263-1707/from-the-trenches/5641-trenches-jersey-celtic-coin-hoard-disassembly

Did you notice that they had been searching the field on and off for three decades before hitting the hoard?

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I was reminded of the time when I was doing contract work for the Navy Air Rework Facility in Pensacola and a fellow told me he knew an old hotel site near Milton that he would take me to when work was over.  He had detected the site and not found anything of interest.

I had a detector along.  I don't remember which one, but I arrived at the site, and it looked like a battlefield.  There were holes all over the place.  Not little holes.  They were obviously dug with a shovel and the dirt was piled beside the open holes.

I detected and started finding silver coins right away.  I found tax tokens, a sterling silver plate, a gold lapel pin and some other things.

I don't know why the other fellow wasn't finding anything good.  He just watched me when I was there.  I remember him saying, you stay in one place a long time.

I guess it was true.  I didn't wander around randomly.  I visually surveyed the area and picked the spots that I thought looked most promising.

I assume he was randomly wandering, moving fast and hitting the big loud targets, which would mostly be junk.

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This next story was all over the TV news.  You probably saw it.  Microchips are being implanted between the thumb and forefinger to hold identification and financial information.

Cash will be obsolete someday.

Here is the link.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/07/25/wisconsin-company-offering-to-microchip-its-employees.html

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One Disturbance in the Atlantic.
This disturbance isn't expected to develop real soon.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Friday, June 2, 2017

6/2/17 Report - Gold Coin Hoard. Mystery Find. Map Worth Nearly a Million Dollars. Valuable Watches.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Cache of Gold Coins From the Fifth Century.
Source: See DutchNews link below.

A hoard of coins dating from the final days of the Roman Empire has been found in an orchard in Gelderland. Experts believe the fortune was buried by a Frankish military leader in the second half of the fifth century, when the area was part of the Western Roman Empire, which collapsed in 476AD...

Here is the link if you want to read more about that.


The article leaves out a lot.  Maybe I can find more details elsewhere.

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Here is a find made by a detectorist in the Cape Canaveral area.

Mystery Object.
Find and photo by Dustin P.
Dustin was wondering if anyone could help him identify this find.   Don't tell me it is a Sharpie.  I already figured that one out.

Below is a closer view of one end.  Notice the shape and the point.

It was found in the Cape Canaveral area.

Closer View of Same Object.
Dustin is also to be congratulated on his new baby boy, born on May 7.

Let me know if you have any ideas on his find.

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I'm always interested in old things and how much they might be worth.  Disney items are among the most sought collectibles.  In the past I showed some Disney items that were found with a metal detector, but here is a Disney item that they expect to sell for over $700,000.

According to Reuters, LOS ANGELES, June 2 (Reuters) - Walt Disney's first map of his planned Disneyland theme park in Southern California is going up for sale in June and could fetch up to $900,000, auctioneers said on Friday.

The 1953 map, hand-inked and hand-colored, was created by Disney and artist Herb Ryman and used to present to investors in order to secure funding to build the first Disney theme park in Anaheim.

It clearly shows the layout of the park with the now iconic Sleeping Beauty Castle and railroad, and sections for Fantasy Land, Land of Tomorrow, and Frontier Land...

Here is a link for more on that story.


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If you do a lot of detecting and don't discriminate them out, you'll find a lot of watches.  And the chances are good that sooner or later you'll find valuable watch.  Mostly those are watches made by companies that you would recognize.

If you want to get an idea about how valuable they can be, here is a Sotheby's watch auction site.

check it out.

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/2016/important-watches-ge1601.html

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We had a lot of rain today.  That probably discouraged some detectorists.  If not the rain, at least the lightning.

The surf will remain smooth for a couple more weeks if the predictions for the Treasure Coast are correct.

Hurricane season has begun.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net