Sunday, November 26, 2017

11/2/17 Report - Beach Materials Recycle Zone. Furniture Leg. Luna Fleet Wrecks. Scientific Method.


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Normally the  sand is either being washed up onto the beach or down into the surf.  In the past I've talked about that quite a bit.  One day the net result might be more sand on the beach and the next day or week sand might be removed from the beach and deposited in the shallow water.  Cycles can be long or short and the recycling zone changes with the tides and surf.  A small surf means a smaller recycling zone, and a large surf a larger recycling zone.  A cycle can last for months or quickly change in a matter of hours as the wind and surf changes.

Above is an illustration of a relatively normal recycling area created by relatively calm seas.  The exchange of sand and other materials to land and back into the water is confined to a relatively small area.

Below is another illustration showing a much expanded recycling zone.



When water cuts the dunes, as shown in the second illustration, sand and other objects can be washed onto what becomes the flat beach or they can be drawn down all the way into the water.

Of course, items get washed up onto the beach at times too.  It gets pretty complex and is way too much to address all at one time.

These illustrations are far from perfect.   Maybe it helps some.  I'll find ways to better illustrate the process in the future.

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Concerning the unidentified copper item I posted the other day, a Alberto S. and Brian M. said it might be a furniture leg.  That is something I never would have guessed, and it looks like it could be right.  Here is a picture sent by Alberto.



The one on the left looks very much like the one I found.  Thanks guys!

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This is an older link, but I wanted to post it because I think future wreck discoveries will be managed by the state more like the Luna Fleet wrecks discussed in this article.

http://www.pnj.com/story/news/local/pensacola/2016/10/21/third-shipwreck-luna-fleet-uncovered/92487848/

Here are a few excerpts.

The UWF team discovered ballast stones, iron concretions, an articulated hull of the ship with frames and hull planking, and remnants of ceramics carried on the ship. Graduate student Stew Hood, one of the field school directors, recalled divers coming back up to surface with artifacts in their hands...

I know this is a newspaper article instead of a scientific article, but it doesn't make it sound like they did everything the way they were supposed to.

The Florida Department of Environmental Protection and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers approved a permit for the UWF team to conduct test excavations through March 2017 to determine the extent of the shipwreck and the type of wood used to build the ship.

“We hope it is la Salvadora, which was built in the New World,” said renowned 16th century Spanish historian John Worth, UWF associate professor of anthropology and principal investigator of the Luna land settlement. “We’ll take the wood sample soon and see what it’s made out of. Is it a New World species or Old World species? If it turned out to be that particular one that would be really exciting, because that would be the earliest ship built in the New World that’s documented.”


If you hope for anything as a scientist it is that your methods are appropriate, your data good and your conclusions warranted.  Hopes influence perceptions.  I'd prefer more objectivity.

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I thought some people might disagree with my post about the golden age of Florida treasure hunting being over.  I expected to get some email about that, but I didn't.  There is a lot that could be discussed.

I do think the state will make it will very difficult or impossible to get new salvage leases.  I'm judging by recent actions.  Let me know if you disagree.

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The tides are small, as is the surf.  Very nice calm water with good visibility.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net


Friday, November 24, 2017

11/24/17 Report - Florida's Golden Age of Treasure Hunting is Over: My Opinion. Aku Aku. Garrett AT Max Review.


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The Gold Age of Florida treasure hunting is over.  That's my opinion.  I'm not saying that there isn't anything left to find, because there is a lot left to find.  And I'm not saying there won't be much found, because a lot will be found.  What I am saying is that the days when a bunch of regular guys could get together, form a company and get a salvage lease is over.  In theory the laws haven't changed to prevent that; but the state will be putting up more walls and making applicants jump through more hoops.

I don't believe that Florida will be giving new salvage leases unless you have really big money, a lot of inside influence and can get law-makers to go to work for you.  It might be possible to win, but most applicants will be stalled and stalled until they either give up or find that it is no longer practical.   I might be wrong about all of that and hope that I am.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

I don't have a lot of insider knowledge or connections, but I do know about some things that are going on and that you might not expect a guy like me to know.  If you think you have found a new wreck and want to get a salvage lease on it, the state will expect you to jump through all kinds of hoops.  They are asking more of applicants than ever before, including additional research and expanded reports.  Maybe you can bust through if you have high-level connections, but that is not what I'm talking about today.  I'm talking about new guys wanting to work new projects.  In those cases, the state will probably let you go through the first step or two and string you along.  They'll take the data you collect, use it and maybe get you to do some more work for them, but in the end, make it an archaeological site.  That is what I'm betting.

Maybe you remember back in 2012 when they proposed SB 686.  The treasure hunting community got together and fought that.  The big guys did their thing, while the reader's of this blog contacted their representatives and wrote letters.  The treasure hunting community won that one, but what I'm talking about today isn't the state making new laws, though that is likely too.  What I'm talking about today is very much like what you see with the establishment in Washington, D. C.  Government officials can make things difficult without changing the law.

If I'm wrong about any of this, let me know.  I'll be glad to post additions or corrections.

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Mike F. sent me the following message.

It was nice to read the Easter Island story and see the pictures. If your readers want to learn more about Easter Island I recommend a book I read, and loved many, many years ago called 'AKU AKU, the secret of Easter Island by Thor Heyerdahl. He wrote the book after his famous KON TIKI adventures. He also, way back then, realized the statues on Easter Island had bodies and did some excavation.

Thanks Mike.

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Steve from Sebastian sent this report on his new Garrett AT Max.

Have about 15 hours on the new Garrett AT MAX…no toy. Amazing machine, I have targets about every 3 feet in my yard, as it powers down through a foot of fill to the original 30 year old lot underneath. LOVE the wireless headphones too with their own volume control. Machine WATERPROOF TO 10 FEET. Bought the wired waterproof headphones right away. ..

Thanks for the resport Steve.

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Hollow Heavy Copper Item
I thought this item looked a bit like an old hose nozzle, but it has screw threads at the top and bottom.  It is heavy, but hollow.  Don't know what it is.

I was 1.5 pounds heavier today.  It could have been worse.  I don't think I'll ever be able to get into my old wet suit.

The last time I went to the beach I saw a lot of snow bird cars.  I saw Alaska, Colorado and of course the more common ones such as New York.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Thursday, November 23, 2017

11/23/17 - Another Kind of Treasure Coast Treasure: Fossils. Easter Island Stones. Sampling. Happy Thanksgiving!



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Vintage Post Card OriginallyReceived by My Grandfather in 1909.

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Did you notice that this Megalodon tooth fossil received a winning bid of $550 in the recently concluded Sedwick treasure auction?

Auction Listing From Sedwick Auction 22


I showed that to remind you that there are other types of treasure on the Treasure Coast besides coins and artifacts.  You can find fossils all the way along the Treasure Coast.  I've seen fossils on most of the beaches.  Some beaches provide more fossils than others, of course, but you can find fossil shark teeth, as well as rhinoceros, giant sloth, camel and even mastodon bones on the Treasure Coast.

This meg tooth is more valuable than the vast majority of what you might find, but there are valuable fossils to find, and if you like finding old stuff, you should know that Treasure Coast fossils can be millions of years old.

Below are a couple of fossils I picked up the last time I was at the beach.  Beach conditions were not good for finding fossils, but I noticed them along the way.  They aren't really worth anything, but it shows that fossils are out there.

Matrix Containing a Few Pieces of Fossil Bone.
On the left bottom of the photo above is a vertebra.  At the top is larger piece of fossil that I have not yet identified.

Larger Piece of Broken Fossil Bone.
This one is larger and a little unusual because of the two colors.

Keep your eyes open.  You never know when you might see a nice shark tooth or something else nice.

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There is always more than meets the eye.  You've seen the huge stone heads of Easter island. but they are actually more than heads.  They have bodies too.  The bodies were buried over a period of about 500 years by natural processes. They didn't sink - at least not much.  They sit on rock foundations where they were originally carved and then raised from horizontal to vertical.

Here is the link.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/07/26/famous-easter-island-heads-have-hidden-bodies/#220cb45af804

People wonder how huge stone blocks like these could have been moved.  In this case they weren't moved - at least not far.  They were carved on location and then flipped up.

Use your head and save your back.

Speaking of which, I was glad to see on a recent episode of Oak Island that the fellows FINALLY decided to do things a bit more systematically and methodically.   They finally drilled a grid of holes to do some testing and sampling.  I've been screaming at the TV for them to do that for at least a couple of years.  I felt the same way when the Hoffman's ( I think) finally had Tony Beets (sp) do some serious core sampling.

In the past I've done a few posts on sampling.  Sampling can save a lot of time.  Very important concept.

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Here is a sad article.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/18/wwii-veteran-calls-for-help-and-dies-as-nurses-laugh-video-shows.html

While you are being thankful, express your gratitude by being kind, especially to those who need it most.

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Today we'll have a three to five foot surf.  The next few days the surf will be decreasing.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Wednesday, November 22, 2017

11/22/17 Report - More Reales Found On Beach Last Week. Mystery Item and Miscellaneous Finds. Treasure Coast Beaches.


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John Brooks Beach Yesterday.
The beach at John Brooks was firmer than it looked.

Walton Rocks Yesterday.
You can see the dip in front of the beach and course materials (small shell pieces) along the beach.


Turtle Trail Yesterday
Photo by Darrel S.
We had a pretty good week last week.  The beaches aren't that good now.  Darrel says that the only the tops of some bags are now showing at Turtle Trail.

Some of Darrel's FindsPhoto by Darrel
Notice the cut penny in the upper right corner of the photo.  This isn't the first one that people have shown me lately.  It seems someone is doing that again.

Below is a mystery item found last week.

Front of Item
Photo by DB

Back of Same Item
Photo by DB
DB (not Dan B.) who found it said, I was wondering if you could help ID this object. Found it during the last set of north winds that came through. I put it next to a tab for size reference. It's lead.

I'm surprised it is lead. It appears to be attached to something by iron. The person said the bottom part sticking down is round and not broken off.

I can't place it. Any ideas? Let me know what you think.


They were found around the same time this one real and half real were found by the same person.

One Real and Half  Real Last Week
Found by DB
I posted what looked like might be a heavily encrusted bracelet last week.  It was found by Scott in the Cape Canaveral area.  It turned out to be the badly corroded earring shown below. 

Earring Find After Cleaning.
Find and photo by Scott

I picked up some fossils yesterday.  I'll talk more about that some other time.

When you submit reports or photos, please include your first name and last initial.  That is generally what I post.  If you want me to post your full name, just let me know, or if you don't like any of those options, please provide a unique pseudonym as an identifier.  It  will help me if you do that with each message.  I get a lot of email and don't always remember how each person wants to be identified.

Happy Thanksgiving.
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Tuesday, November 21, 2017

11/21/17 Report - Gold Pendant. Hallmarks. Thanks Guys. Seagrape Trail Monday.


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Here is a find made by John C. back some time ago.   Like the Pelican in Piety ring found by Dan B., this pendant shows hallmarks - but on the front.  Below is what John said about it.

This piece was found north of Sebastian   Inlet.  Noticed similar markings to Danny's ring. Crown  on the top and the leopard head on the bottom signifies London.  Much lower carat gold. I think 375 is 9 kt.


Shown before and after cleaning.
Photos by John C.


You can find a lot of good information to help you decipher hallmarks.  First you might check out wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallmark#England

And here is a very detailed document on British hallmarks.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http:/www.britishhallmarkingcouncil.gov.uk/publications/hallmarks2.pdf

You can learn a lot when you research finds.  That is half the fun of finding old and interesting things.

Dan B., who found the Pelican in Piety ring that I showed on 11/8, had the following to say.

Wanted to thank you for the recent excitement pertaining to the ring.

I was thinking what is crazy is that until the notorious find of the pelican of piety in Fort Pierce in 2010 it would have been an obscure Spanish religious symbol only well known to the few who had in-depth knowledge of the fleet and its items!?!? Uncanny

I am actually considering contacting LW and G for our records of sales in 1962 and 1963. Also have a few strings out to some old hunters who may have seen it on someone. I'm enjoying this. Thanks again. Hope you are well.

Ps. Loved "what is grass for"


Thanks Dan.  As you suggest, the cool thing is how it adds to the awareness of those who are interested.  That might seem like a small thing, but the effect is multiplied many times.  The effect can multiply without being recognized while raising awareness and the general level of knowledge having an impact far into the future.

We owe a debt of gratitude to Captain Bonnie Schubert, who literally uncovered the gold pelican artifact after it had been concealed for hundreds of years in the ocean, and to Laura Strolia, who conducted research and published the  historical background and helped us understand the significance of the artifact and the Pelican in Piety icon.   She raised our awareness and increased our knowledge.  That is obvious to me from the comments and responses of the readers of this blog. We can not tell what long term impact that might have. This is Thanksgiving week so it is an especially good time to thank those who have contributed so much to our understanding and the enjoyment of our hobby.

(For those of you who don't know, What is Grass For is a post I did not too long ago.)

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Seagrape Trail Monday
Photo by Darrel S.
Darrel said, Went back to Sea Grape with CZ21. Detected from 1:30-4:00pm. Low was 2:45pm. Nice low sand and hundreds of hits! Mostly nails, scrap iron, space debris, tiny washers, and older coins. Only detector out on beach or parking lot!

Seagrape Trail Monday
Photo by Darrel S.
Thanks for the report and photos Darrel.

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While I'm giving thanks, I want to say thanks to all of you who read this blog, and especially those of you who contribute and respond.  The responses I get encourage me to keep going.

The surf will be a little higher today.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net








Sunday, November 19, 2017

11/20/17 Report - Beaches Filling For Time Being. Interesting Theory on Ring. Miscellaneous Finds. Another Front Coming Through.


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Seagrape Trail Sunday
Photo by Darrel S.
Last week we had some decent beach detecting.  Some nice old things were found at a few locations.  A lot of beaches produced nothing good, but a few did.  That is pretty much over and I'm going back to a "1" rating on my Treasure Coast Treasure Beach Detecting Conditions Scale.

Darrel S. was at Turtle Trail Saturday and reported that it had filled in and the bags were covered again.  According to the reports I received, it seems like the best conditions were earlier in the week.

There was still a nice cliff at the back of the beach at Seagrape Sunday, as you can see from the above photo.

Below are a couple photos from the Jupiter and Carlin Park beaches from Saturday, I think it was.

Jupiter Beach by Inlet Saturday.
Photo by Joe D.
Carlin Park Area
Photo by Joe D.
Thanks for the photos and reports guys!

In my Saturday post I said the Pelican in Piety ring was 14K.   The 750 mark indicates that it is actually 18K.  That was brought to my attention by a couple of readers, and I made the correction in the previous post.

I got an email from Peter H. concerning that ring.  Peter offers an interesting theory.  Here is what he said.

I'm certain many others will help identify the hall mark on the ring . Its 18carat, London hallmark and the date letter appears to be from 1962-1963 . London is represented by the leopards head ,the crown and 750 is the carat mark and the style of the letter g appears to be date  it to 62/63. ( Jacksons Hallmarks, UK)
What I find intriguing is that its defiantly the pelican in piety ( you can see the blood from the pelicans  chest feeding the young) which is a rare unusual  symbol and it appears to be made in London . Could it have been commissioned  and lost by one of the 1960 -70's treasure hunters who possibly found something similar on the treasure coast and subsequently  sold the original? It just seems too much of coincidence that such a modern ring and symbol appears on a 1715 treasure  beach which is known for producing the same religious iconography What are the chances of that ? The plot thickens!  or maybe its just me being too fond of conspiracy theories !! .As you often say " the find is only the beginning of the story" 

I really appreciate your posts - thank you   Peter H.

I don't think the ring was found on the same beach as the Pelican of Piety artifact, which, if I correctly recall, was found on the Nieves site, but that isn't important anyhow.  If it was commissioned by a treasure hunter who found something similar in the past, we might find out about that.  It isn't a huge fraternity and word gets around.  Interesting thought anyhow.

I saw photos of finds from earlier in the week from beaches that were producing much of any shipwreck treasures.


Miscellaneous Finds From Ambersands Last Week
Finds and photo by Eric H.
That is quite a variety of finds made by Eric H.  Looks like a bunch of mangled aluminum from the renourishment sand as well as a ring and some other things.

Thanks for the report Eric.

Maybe we'll get to see photos of other good finds from last week.  I know there were some more cobs and other interesting things found both on the Treasure Coast and to the north.


There is another TV show you might want to check out;  Finding Escobar's Millions.  So far it is been Not Finding Escobar's Millions, which I wouldn't have minded if it was more reasonable.

They told how Escobar buried barrels of money and killed whoever was forced to bury the money, yet the first field they checked was a vacant lot in the middle of a bunch of multi-story buildings where whatever happened would undoubtedly be seen.  That is the last place I would bury a barrel of money and a murder victim.  Unsurprisingly they found nothing but junk there.

The best thing that happened to me last week was that I was able to do a little detecting. Not much, but some.  Although it was a small fraction of the amount of time I used to spend, at least it was something.


The last couple of years, I haven't been able to detect much at all. There were two reasons for that. One was because of other responsibilities, and the second was because of an injury. Sometimes the injury made it impossible, and other times  when I could have tried, I was afraid of aggravating the injury. I think it was less than a week ago I actually told my wife I think my metal detecting days are over. I'm glad things improved and I was able to do it for a while without any problems.

Looks like we are going to get a four to six foot surf Tuesday.  That isn't bad, but the wind doesn't look as favorable as it was last week.  We had a few days of continuous north wind last week.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Saturday, November 18, 2017

11/18/17 Report - Modern Ring With Old Symbol: Pelican In Piety. Encrusted Bracelet.


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Interesting Modern Ring Find.
Find and photo by D. B.
This ring found on a 1715 Fleet beach is a modern ring but seems to have an interesting connection to one well known 1715 Fleet artifact.

I was asked what the image on the ring is?  As you can see, it is a bird feeding baby birds.  The question is why that would appear on a ring.

Do you remember the Pelican in Piety artifact and author Laura Strolia's research concerning that.  If not, you can use the following link to read about it.

http://treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com/2012/11/11412-more-revealed-on-pelican-in-piety.html


I'm pretty sure the image on the ring represents the pelican in piety.  Here are just a couple images of a pelican in piety to illustrate that.

Two of Many Varieties of the Pelican in Piety Image.

You can find many more by doing a quick internet search.

Here are the marks on the inner band of the ring.

Hallmarks.
Photo by D. B.
First is a crown, then 750, then a shield and then 9 or 19.  I can't see the crown and shield real well from the photo.

I assume the crown indicates that the item is gold.  The 750 indicates 18 karat.  I don't have a good guess about the last two marks.

Author Laura Strolia says that the Pelican in Piety image was more rarely used after the 40s.

Cool find DB.  Congratulations!

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Bracelet?
Find and photo by Scott.
This item was recently found in the Cape Canaveral area.  Currently in cleaning, we might find out more about it soon.

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Some good items were found on the Treasure Coast last week.  I heard of quite a few.  Some nice items were also found in the Melborne area.

The beaches that were producing were scattered.  Many were not.  That makes it difficult for me to issue a beach conditions rating.  A few beaches were good, but many of them were not good at all.  

We'll have nothing greater than three to five feet for a few days.  It looks like the wind will be switching a lot.  That is not like what we had recently with days of north wind.

The weather is beautiful for the snow birds.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net