Showing posts with label Lakes. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Lakes. Show all posts

Saturday, December 7, 2019

12/7/19 Report - Analyzing Cultures For Metal Detecting Locations. A Few Finds. College Inn Bottle. Surf Coming.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.


Where you metal detect has a lot to do with what you find.  That isn't surprising at all, but it is worth noticing the extent to which it is true.  If you blindfolded me somehow so I didn't know which place I was at but just showed me the targets I was digging, it would be easy for me to tell you if I was in Pensacola, Miami Beach, Minneapolis, or any of a variety of other places where I spent a fair amount of time detecting.  It would be easy.  

Yesterday's news brought back a lot of memories.  I used to do a lot of work at the Naval Air Station where there was a shooting, and I lived for quite a while at Miramar, where the UPS truck was highjacked and more people were shot and killed.  

When I went to Pensacola, I always took my metal detector.  This was about thirty years ago, I would guess, and when I went to that area I would often detect Pensacola Beach, but also other nearby areas such as Gulf Breeze, Milton, or Ryerson State Park.  

In those days air travel was much easier.  It didn't hurt that I was among the top five percent of frequent flyers for Eastern and Delta Airlines, which usually got me a free upgrade to first class, but airport security was not such a big thing.  I remember one time when the security people looked at my metal detector and didn't know what it was, but just shrugged their shoulders and that was that.

But to my point - when I first metal detected in Minneapolis, I waded into one of the lakes in my wet suit and immediately started hitting old coins.  The lake was full of silver coins, and other silver including a lot of silver religious medallions, but few rings, and little gold.  Some of the lake bottoms were not easy to detect because of the rocky bottoms, but some of those lakes had obviously not been hunted much before, if at all.  The finds were very different from the glitzy Miami beaches, where you would find a lot of gold, including a lot of very expensive jewelry.  The people and cultures of Minneapolis and Miami are very different, and the finds show that.

The finds in Hollywood Florida and Miami were also different.  I don't know if that has changed since then, but back then you could find a lot in Hollywood but the finds would not be as expensive as what you would find in Miami.  In Hollywood you'd find some gold, but it would generally be 10K gold, or gold plated rather than 14K, 18K or higher.   The value of the items on average was simply a few steps lower in Hollywood.

If you think about it there are differences in the people and cultures of the different locations.  That is something that is worth paying attention to.  Some cultures wear more gold and wear different types of gold.  You won't find as many people wearing big hulking diamond rings in Minneapolis as compared to Miami.  There are cultural differences and there are practical differences.  When the weather is below zero and you are wearing gloves around, it is not easy to wear gloves over big diamond rings, and what would be the sense of doing that anyhow, especially if you come from a frugal Scandinavian background.

I think you get my point and I don't need to go into much more detail.

You can still take your metal detector on the plane when you travel, but these days I prefer to just ship my detector ahead when I want to detect somewhere that I'm going.  I always enjoyed detecting new places even though there is always a learning curve.  You might find some good spots right away, but you might have to spend more time finding a decent place to detect.

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It amazes me how much stuff is out there to be found.  I didn't have time to go to the beach yesterday so I took a look at an area close by.  First I found a small cork stopper type bottle, so I got out my detector and found an old metal door knob.   So then I tightened up my search and found the little gold stud ear ring.  I'll have to hit that area some more some other day.







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A couple days ago I posted a COLLEGE INN bottle that Joe D. was hoping to learn more about.
I found a similar bottle online that had the same embossing, the same patent date and a very similar shape.  Here is what the description said.

Rare,Early 1930's,Excellent Condition, 7 and 1/8th " Tall,University of Maryland Laboratory Dairy,That was Located at College Park,Maryland,Heavily Mottled,Strapped Across the Center,Footed Chocolate Milk Drink Bottle,with a tapered ring neck and a small,single ring collar,that takes a metal cap,embossed on a 3/4 " high,clear strap around the center" COLLEGE INN COLLEGE INN ",in thick,solid strike.Embossed on the base" DESIGN PAT.FEB.24 - 31 ".A very hard to find bottle,filled at the Maryland University Laboratory Dairy in the early 1930's,and sold at the campus soda shop and motel,"The College Inn".In the bottle was a short-lived,"YooHoo"-like,chocolate milk drink,that was slighly popular for a lttle while,but only lasted a few years,like the dairy and the College Inn,and that's why the bottles are so hard to find.I found three together,with a Lab.Dairy,and a St.Elizibeth's Hospital Dairy.I've never seen another before or since.A very rare bottle,with a lot of character,and history behind it. (Source: www.worthpoint.com)

I also found a College Inn brand that is still in operation today.  Today that College Inn brand sells now mostly things like beef and chicken stock and gravy.  It seems it began in 1923 as the College Inn restaurant in Chicago.  This might have some relationship since other 1931 College Inn bottles that I've seen online are definitely not soda bottles but may be for something else like chocolate milk or gravy.

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I was having trouble with my camera, which is why I didn't get anything posted yesterday.  It just seemed like things wouldn't cooperate.

The weather is absolutely beautiful for being outside even though the beach conditions for finding anything old are not ideal.

It does look like in another week we could get another bump in the surf.


Source: MagicSeaWeed.com

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net



Friday, March 15, 2019

3/15/19 Report - How A Beautiful Pre-Civil War Artifact Was Recovered From the Depths. Bone Find? Interesting Surf Prediction for T. C.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

1852 Tea Pot Recovered From Steamer Wreck On Display.
Find and photo by Sebastian Steve


I just received the following in an email from Sebastian Steve.

IMMIGRANT KETTLE/TEA POT 1852  Recovered by Sebastian Steve.

I saw your 'TEAPOT' photo, so I thought I might share my recovery (from about 30 years ago) of a teapot or kettle and the story that it carries on...hopefully forever...however long that is.

I was salvaging a passenger steamer up in Lake Erie, lost in 1852.  I went down on my morning dive to 160 feet, and worked along the port gunnel.  Sure enough jammed in the passageway on the main deck was an "immigrant crate" as I had named them.  This one the top was missing, evidently blown off from the air pressure trapped inside.  They really were not like an immigrant trunk with a big lid that opens.  Instead these were often just heavily built hardwood boxes nailed shut for the period of the voyage.  

Theft was rampant back in these days, and the only way to keep your goods safe, was to guard them day and night.  Literally sleep with your head resting against your crate.  Nailing your "Crate" shut certainly deterred theft!  The wealthy in first class would consign their luggage and valuables to the ship's purser, who kept all their belongings locked up tight in the purser's cabin for safe keeping. 

And as I began to feel around inside this immigrant crate, I could feel many objects to my delight still remained. Certainly all the contents could have been blown out from the air pressure.  This of course was all by feel, as the second my hand touched the first artifact, the powder silt was up, up, and away!  Totally bringing the visibility of the dive down to near zero at this location.  

But I was used to working in low visibility, or even just by feel, so I continued to investigate the contents of this crate.  A beautiful oval cheese box came out.  Totally hand made and carved with decorations in the wood.  These were often given as wedding gifts to a new young couple.  The crate had preserved the thin wood perfectly, and all the inscriptions and patterns could be seen.  A beautiful piece indeed.

Then I felt something harder near the bottom of the crate.  Harder, yet round with a protrusion.  I pulled this artifact up and out into the clearer water.  And I saw for the first time, that I had a beautiful tea pot or kettle as they are often known by.  Not a bit of damage, no dents, amazing how it survived a collision and foundering into 160 feet of water with no damage!  But wait... the lid was missing.  I think I groaned so hard, I almost spit out my regulator.  My chances of finding that lid was next to zero.  It must have blown out the top of the crate when the lid blew off.  What a royal shame... Still a pretty piece, and I could see some kind of inscription on the handle.  

And so I surfaced after my 11 minutes of decompression.  My total dive was about 50 minutes, but only 20 minutes of that was actually on the wreck.  In the afternoon dive, (after sitting out for 4 hours for residual nitrogen to escape my blood stream) my next dive would have the same profile for decompression, but only 15 minutes of time on the wreck.  So yes...a total working day of only 35 minutes....and a full hour boat ride each way to the wreck.  There was no time for sightseeing, not with the business I was in of making my living from the deep.

It was a beautiful day...and after a nice rest in the warm sun, a sandwich and soft drink, it was time to suit up again.  Down I slid on the descent line, deeper and deeper, and right over I swam to my mystery chest I had just located that very morning.  And I against all odds, felt around in the bottom of the crate for the lid.  I knew exactly what it would feel like, and its size.  My minds eye would identify this lid quite easily "If" it were only still there in the crate.  Blown out...in reality it could be anywhere.  Depending on when the air pressure had her way with the crate.  The lid could be five feet from the crate, or 50 feet away under three feet of silt.  It had to be found in the crate or kiss it goodbye...forever.  

I feel like I almost "willed" this lid into my hand.  Because at about ten minutes into the dive I had her in my hand !!!  I knew it right away, but I still backed up and thrust my arm up and above the silt cloud into clear enough water to see what I had.  And OH-Boy...was I a happy diver.  Far too fine a piece of history to not be complete.  And now she was complete in all her glory.

What makes this kettle so special?  If you study the inscription on the handle... it is "MHD" 1852.  And there is also a maker's mark from when the kettle was made.  This is only speculation...but I would state my reputation on this...Some gifted man for beautiful scroll work, purchased this kettle in N.Y.City after crossing the ocean from the Fatherland.  To commemorate his arrival in the United States, he scribed into the handle his initials, and the date.  Making this a very important --immigrant artifact--- of 1852.  I believe he had the calm and time to do the carving as he went peacefully down the Erie Canal from the Hudson River to Buffalo, N.Y. on a horse drawn canal boat. 



Inscribed Tea Pot Handle.
Photo by Sebastian Steve (clipped by TG)

And so after 30 years it was time....time for a new home that could guarantee its continuity and safety.  I carefully selected a couple who run a maritime museum out of their home in Michigan.  It's first rate in all respects.  And just as important, this Ken has a deep and loving respect for the history of The Great Lakes.  I wish him well with this gorgeous piece of immigrant history.  A piece this fine might bring in the neighborhood of $5,000.


All the Best,
Sebastian Steve 


Very meaningful and beautiful find!  Thanks for sharing Steve.

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John L. sent me the following email and photos.


Hello again.
I was wondering if you and/or your readers could tell me anything about this find.
I know very little about fossils, but this sure seems to be one resembling a tooth.
Found it in a line of shells at a local, municipal, tourist beach.
Thank you again for keeping up your terrific blog! 

























I don't think this is a tooth, but if you can provide more specific information on the item, please email me.


Find and photos by John L.








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Now this is starting to look like it could get interesting.

Source: MagicSeaWeed.com.
Three days in a row of 4 - 6 foot surf is predicted for the Treasure Coast.  Of course, it could change for the worse yet.
Keep watching,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Monday, February 5, 2018

2/5/18 Report - Spanish Officer and A Kid From Reign of Philip IV : Paintings For Research. Treasure Dive in the Great Lakes.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.



This painting is one of fifteen from a Sotheby's exhibit of Golden Age Spanish paintings. Since you'll never see a photo from the 8th century or earlier, you can learn a lot by looking at paintings from the time period.  This one from the reign of King Philip gives you some idea of what the best dressed child of the day might wear.  Notice the scaled down sword and pike or whatever.

And here is a fellow of the period identified as a Spanish officer.

Painting of Spanish Officer
Old paintings can be valuable for research.

Below is the link if you want to see the other paintings from the Sotheby's Auckland Castle group.

http://www.sothebys.com/en/news-video/slideshows/2018/spanish-paintings-from-auckland-castle.html

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Here is an interesting and instructive account of a treasure dive in the Great Lakes from Steve in Sebastian.

Anything is possible to those who dream! When everyone and I mean everyone...the best of the best...veteran divers up on the Lakes... would still basically just swim along slowly (the more experience the slower you went) remember at 150+ feet of depth, no matter how well your mind is conditioned...you still were not even close to being 100%. You found yourself locked in patterns of behavior that worked. Example... I'm working a debris pile on the aft deck (that not in the least was by accident on my part, knowing that the original plans showed the Purser's Office was located originally directly above. Now long gone, because the upper decks ("hurricane deck" was always made of lightweight wood to keep the CG low. Often the hurricane deck totally tore off from the collisions and air pressure in the hull. Some were found floating down the lake a hundred miles away, weeks later!

I came across a heavy wood box, but no bottom, heavy like 1" thick, or something tumbled out... hardwood, 12" long, 6" wide, 6-8" high. I grabbed at it... (quite excited... purser's gold box?...why such heavy wood?) but only some engine parts, heavy bearings rolled out. Odd...but that was it. Move on.

How simple at the end of any of my dives (making 2 per day, for 30 days, weather permitting.) to simply tie on my hand reel to these "engine parts" and pull it up and see what it really is! The "hand reel" is a plastic spool with 200' of 5/16" poly line on, with a cut 1/2 through 3' up the bitter end riding up my arm with fishing net floats wire tied to the sides to tie anything heavy on, or to tie to the wreck anywhere for an emergency decompression line. (Although I had mastering holding 10' in free water...for 15 minutes to do all my decompression. You gently slip down to 12-13' constantly holding the depth gauge in front of your face literally, then a couple soft kicks of the fins, then carefully drift to a halt because you are always fighting the quick change in buoyancy that will occur... as the bubbles will expand rapidly in the last 10 feet in your suit, even a dry suit of the type we wore back then. Problem is I often came up at the end...1/2 mile from the boat! Later with the line half cut through at 3' off the tied end, you could cleat it on, and power the boat up, and snap it off when leaving for the day...only losing 3. (:

Anyway back then in the late 70 and 80s, there were really only a couple dozen "good" divers who dove the really deep ones, up to about 210.' So the word got around fairly quickly. Well sure enough I hear the grapevine and it tells me some lucky diver "just looking over the debris in the stern" found the SHIP'S TICKETING MACHINE all in brass with all the brass rollers and thumb wheel amounts and ports of call, etc. A fine, fine nautical steamship 1865 piece I'm sure. I almost wanted to leak it out that he go back and find the hardwood case for it!!! (;
Thanks much Steve! 

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I'm still thinking of the stupid Super Bowl this morning.  I don't know how we elevate a game to such importance in this world, but I guess it is entertainment.

Anyhow, the Eagles were penalized more than the Patriots 6 to 2, but there weren't as many penalties as I expected and no big game changers.  There was one important non-call that in my opinion went in the favor of the Eagles.  That was a real surprise.  Anyway, Nick Foles is going to Disney World and my prediction was wrong.

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The tides are a bit more moderate now and the surf is only about two to four feet. 

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net