Tuesday, June 30, 2020

6/30/20 Report - Calm Surf and Sandy Beaches. Treasure Coast Fossils. Fishing Artifacts.


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Typical Sandy Treasure Coast Beach.


The Treasure Coast beaches have been accumulating sand for weeks now.  In the photo you can see where the waves are crashing on a sand bar and then washing sand in, during high tide, up on the beach.

Waves Breaking on Bar

If there is a dip inside the bar, the waves will break on the bar and then disappear if the dip is deep enough.  Where there is less of a dip, the waves will continue in.  You can easily look out and see where the dips are.  


Waves Breaking on Sand Bar.

The dip shown in the above photo had a lot of loose sand and shells in it.  The water was clear and you could see what look like waves of sand on the bottom.  It was far from washed down to bedrock.


John Brooks Beach Yesterday Morning.

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Recently I posted a photo of a fossil snake vertebra that I found on a Treasure Coast beach.

Here is an article discussing the evidence that men ate snakes long ago.  Notice the reptile vertebra  pictured in the article (below).


Source: LiveScience.com link below.
Here is the link.

https://www.livescience.com/ancient-humans-ate-snakes.html

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Here is another small fossil vertebra found on a Treasure Coast beach.  It is in great shape and is very different than the snake vert.  I don't have any idea what type of animal it might have come from.


Two Views of Small Fossil Vertebra 
on US quarter for size comparison.

If anyone can tell me the animal, I'd love to know.  It doesn't look like the fish verts that I'm familiar with.

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Here are a couple stone-age fish hooks found at an inland site that was once a lagoon.  Between 1932 and 2020 the land was drained.  You can see that the fishhook that was excavated before the land was drained is in much better condition than the one excavated from the drier earth.


Source: See ScienceNorway link below.


Here is the link for the article about the excavation of fish bones and fishing artifacts from a stone-age site.

https://sciencenorway.no/archaeology-history-stone-age/archaeologists-have-found-astonishingly-well-preserved-gear-from-a-fisherman-who-lived-5000-years-ago/1705054

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As they mentioned on the Dino Hunters TV show, bones have to have the right conditions to fossilize.  After an organism's soft tissues decay in sediment, the bones are left behind. Water seeps into the remains, and minerals dissolved in the water seep into the spaces within the remains, where they form crystals.

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Source: nhc.noaa.gov

An area of low pressure off North Carolina has a small chance of developing into a cyclone in the next 48 hours, but it is expected to head northeast.

The surf remains small on the Treasure Coast.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net






















Monday, June 29, 2020

6/29/20 Report - Mysterious Phoenix Button Found. Great Thrift Store Ephemera Hoard. T. C. Beach Hunting.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Source: MyNorthwest.com link below.


The following is the beginning of the story of how detectorist Phil Massie found the mysterious Phoenix button

“And I’m swinging the metal detector on our way out, because we’re like, ‘There’s nothing here, let’s call it a day, just try another spot,’” Massie said, describing the denouement of what began as a typical outing with a group of his metal-detecting friends to a public beach along Puget Sound.

“[Then, on] my last like five feet before the dirt walking off of a beach area, I got a really good signal,” Massie said. “And I pulled it out. And I told the guys, ‘Hey, come here and take a look this, I found a button and I’ve never seen anything like this before.’”


What Massie had found buried about six inches down was made of brass, and was less than an inch in diameter.

Rubbing away the dirt clinging to the object revealed an intricate design of a bird, and what turned out to be a phrase written in French. Within a few days, Phil Massie figured out that other examples of this tiny object have been found around the West for more than a hundred years.


And he also figured out that their origins were a mystery for decades...

And here is the link for the rest of that interesting article.

https://mynorthwest.com/1976707/mysterious-phoenix-button-found-puget-sound


Thanks to Timothy M. for alerting me to that story.

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Jerry P. ended up with a very cool thrift store find you won't believe.


Your recent post with the postcards made me think about last month's treasure find. Well, truth be told I didn’t find it but a close friend did and he had the insight to remember that I have a deep passion for anything local treasure. He was thrift stores hunting and came across a box filled with file folders and two of them had a written mark that said “DIVING + COINS”. He payed the price and I now own them. Inside were three incredible postcards that immediately caught my attention. I spent hours going over all the contents and it was like a time capsule. Inside were papers that included, post cards, news paper articles, personal letters from great treasure hunters, old news letters from local beach hunting treasure clubs, old beach maps from local hunters and a stack blank COA's from Mel Fisher’s original Cobb Coin Company with the auto pin of Eugene, Duncan and Mell, breath taking if you love history!

You have always implied treasure can be found anywhere if you are looking and nice enough to take the time to share your passion, thanks for all you have done!


Thanks for sharing Jerry.  That is one super cool treasure that found you through another person.

Here are photos of those items that Jerry sent.

File Folder Marked "Diving and Coins" 
Found in Thrift Store Along With a Variety of Ephemera.


Treasure Clippings 
Found in Thrift Store Hoard of Ephemera

Cobb Coin Company COA
Found in Thrift Store Hoard of Ephemera.  


Part Of Thrift Store
E;phemera Hoard.

Great story Jerry.  You can find surprising things in Thrift Stores.  Your treasure related ephemera hoard will serve as an inspiration to others.

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I did a little detecting this morning.  There were a good number of coins on the beach.

Along much of the beach, a dip has formed between the bar and beach.  In many places it is less than six feet deep at low tide.  There is a lot of loose sand in the dip.

I picked up a cheap bracelet and a few dollars in coins.

It seems a lot of people have been going to the beach.  There were many out-of-state cars in the parking lot.  I guess Cuomo won't let his people come home without quarantine, so they are just enjoying the Florida sun.

There is one area in the Atlantic that could develop into a cyclone, but it is still far from us.

 I'll keep track of it.


The first two episodes of Dino Hunters was fun.  They didn't make it farcical like some of the treasure programs.  You know what I'm talking about.


It seems tons of people are leaving Twitter and flocking to Parler.


Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Sunday, June 28, 2020

6/28/20 Report - Summer Beach Conditions Continue. A Few Finds Including A Fossil. Atlantic Heating Up.


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Fishing On A Hazy Treasure Coast Morning.

I went out to see what was going on.  There were a lot of guys fishing at the beach.  I should've checked the river this morning.

The first thing I dug was this lengthy piece of copper shown with a bottle for comparison.

Piece of Dug Copper.
Bottle for comparison.

I eventually got something old - some fossils, including a snake vertebra fossil (below) if I'm correct, and I think I am after checking some books.


Posterior View of Fossil Snake Vertebra on Quarter and Expaned View.



I several fossils, some were just pieces.  The snake vert, a fish vert and a turtle scute were in pretty good condition.

The snake vert was the most interesting of the three to me.  The fish vert was not nearly as complex or complete and turtle scutes are very common.

Here are some other views of the same snake vert.


Two Views of Fossil Snake Vertebra.


It is intricate and still in pretty good shape.

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I received this email from Norbert.



Just as a "for what it's worth" I found a heavy men's bracelet on a golf course where worked. I used to run my detector when I monitored the sprinklers at night for watering the greens. I had my hopes up that it would be a good. The clasp had apparently broken when the guy hit his shot and couldn't find it in the tall rough. Back in the golf shop under the light, it was clearly marked "Italy 14K", but was without question some kind of heavy pot metal with most of the gold flaked off. 


I think people are not as surprised by items that are marked higher than they should be. You can see a motive, so that could be intentional deception, but I guess simple mistakes can happen in both directions.

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There is one system in the Atlantic with a small chance of developing in the next couple of days.


Source: nhc.noaa.gov

Otherwise nothing much new.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Saturday, June 27, 2020

6/27/20 Report - Building Summer Beaches. Turtle Barnacle. Questionable Ring Marking. Mining Geology Sampling Techniques.


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John Brooks Saturday Morning.

The beaches are really building on the front..  You can still see where the water  had removed sand farther back on the beaches though.  The water hasn't been high in quite a while.

You could see the haze created by the Sahara dust.


John Brooks Saturday Morning.

I also went to Fort Pierce South Jetty.  There you could distinctly see the hump on the front beach where new sand had piled up in recent days and weeks.

I'd love to see a lot of that sand washed out.  Good detecting spots are scarce, but the dry sand areas aren't bad due to the increased numbers of people at the beach during these hot days.


Fort Pierce South Jetty Saturday Morning.

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Found this Turtle barnacle.  Interesting creature.

Turtle Barnacle.
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Concerning the ring I posted yesterday that was marked 14K but seemed to test 18K, Pavo offered the following thoughts.


"Ring appears to be marked wrong, odd one."


His electronic tester is off the mark most likely answer...calibration,  weak acid...something. 



The hallmark and maker mark appear laser cut, not dubious as he implied. 



It could be a half carat high (14.x)  as some  high quality makers do.  (The plumb mark itself seems to have fallen out of fashion).



An extra half carat or so could contribute to the apparent tester error...


I've given up on testing gold myself.   I used to do a lot of acid testing but don't bother with that  anymore.  Handheld XRF analyzers are easy, non-destructive and accurate.  You can get it done almost anywhere.  XRF analysis will also tell you the alloys, which might be helpful.  I'd advise having it tested at a jewelry store or pawn shop.

Acid test kits often come with pen kits tipped with gold of various purities.  You rub the 14K, 18K or whatever purity you want to compare on the touch stone and compare how the acid affects the gold of known purity compared to how it affects the streak created by the unknown item.

Good to have all ideas for consideration.  Did you notice how we accumulated information concerning Fort Pierce casino from different people over a few days, adding a little more info each day until it seems we got it pretty well nailed down.

Slowly going through the information gathering process is leads to more complete understanding and assimilation than just receiving a simple unquestioned answer.

Have you found incorrectly marked items?   Any other thoughts on Duane's ring?  What do you think might be going on?

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Deduction moves from theory to experiment to validation, where induction moves from observation to generalization to theory. Deduction is harder to use outside of lab/science settings because it’s often hard to find a set of fully agreed-upon facts to structure the argument.

That says that induction, most used in complex real-world settings, ends up with theory, while deduction ends up with validation.

You can apply that to a lot that is going on in the world today.  A lot of people are mixing up theory and fact.

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Yesterday I tried to discuss sampling procedures for the beach and didn't really get very far.  I'll try to address that better some  other time.

In the mean time you might be interested in this information on mining geology sampling methods.  It is not exactly what I was talking about yesterday, but there is some very relevant information if you are willing to scan through it.

Here is the link.

https://www.911metallurgist.com/blog/mining-geology-sampling-methods-channel-chip-core

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There was a lot of fishing going on at the beach this morning.


There are no developing storms in the Atlantic. Supposedly the Sahara dust storm is suppressing that.


It looks like we'll have nothing more than a one or two foot surf for the next week or more.


Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net


Friday, June 26, 2020

6/26/20 Report - Incorrectly Marked Gold. If You Dont' Know Where You Want To Detect Do Some Sampling.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Gold Ring Find
Find and photo by Duane C.


Duane and I'd like to hear your opinions regarding the question he submitted below.


Unusual find beach detecting. A orange colored gold ring comes out ringing higher on my Nox than a typical 14k of its size. Higher numbers usually associated with higher carat like many 18k bands found prior. The color also closer to 18k than 14k. Originally believed it was 18k until I saw the marks inside. Surprised to see 14k not 18k. Tested at home with acid and electronic tester positive for 18K. The carat mark appears to be engraved not stamped. First one I’ve found like this. Makers mark maybe Cupillard but cannot find any further information on that maker. Ring appears no be marked wrong, odd one.

Mark on Same Ring Found by Duane.
Photo by Duane.


So what do you think about the item testing 18k with an electronic tester and acid test?

Send me your ideas.


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One of the most useful things you can do is sample various areas of the beach.  But sampling is a skill and must be done well to get the anything out of it.

You can't cover every inch of a beach.  There is just too much of it.  And you don't always know what some areas might be holding, so one good thing to do is take a sample.

Before I get into the details of how to do that, it will help to get some background information.  Unlike beaches, we know a lot about the distribution of IQs.   If you test a bunch of people, the average IQ should be around 100.  But if you test any single person, they will fall somewhere in a range between zero and something close to 200.  Fifty percent of the population has an IQ score between 90 and 110, and 95% fall between 70 and 130.  For IQ, we know what the distribution looks like.  It looks like the bell-shaped normal curve shown below.  The vertical access is the IQ score, increasing left to right.  So the most people have the average score of 100.




Source: Wikipedia.
If we were to flip a coin numerous times, we also know what that distribution would eventually look like (assuming a fair coin).  It would be binary distribution, like the one shown below.  If you only flip a the coin a few times you might get something like five heads and only one tail, but as you increase your sample size, eventually you'll get about the same number of heads as tails.



The point of that is, when you take a sample, when your sample is small, it may not reflect the overall population, so you have to take a larger sample to get a better sample of the total population, or in the case of metal detecting, the area.

When you are on the beach, you may not have a good idea of the distribution of good targets.  You might not know if there are any good targets at all within range of your metal detector, but as you do more sampling you'll get a better idea of what might be there.  You'll never know if your sample was sufficient.  One missed target can be a big deal.

I always remember several seasons ago when on Gold Rush TV show, Parker was thinking about mining a piece of ground and I wanted to shout at the TV, "Take some samples."   Eventually he got Tony Beets to do drill some samples, and I was so relieved.

On Bering Sea Gold you'll often see them panning a few samples.  Sampling makes a lot of sense when you do know how much, if anything, is there.  Rather than spending tons of time before you have any evidence of what might be there, why not do a little sampling.  If there is something there, sampling can also help you figure out how it might be distributed.

You can use your past experience and present goals to help you narrow down the area or areas you are interested in sampling.  You'll often be interested in some areas but not others.  Samples should be representative of the area  you are interested in.  You might want to sample multiple areas.  Some may look productive and others not.

With a metal detector it isn't like taking core samples.  You would scan an area with your metal detector using any of a variety of patterns.  One of the patterns I've discussed in the past is a zig-zag pattern, for example.  That pattern will allow you to scan sample high and low areas of a long narrow zone.

Samples must be representative.  That means the area sampled must be a fair unbiased sample of the area to which you want to generalize.  If you start by taking a small sample and get some evidence that the area might be worthwhile, you can then take a larger sample.  Sampling is a skill, which I can't discuss in great detail now.

To use an example we are now all unfortunately very aware of, we keep hearing about the number of COVID cases.  If you wanted to estimate the incidence of infections in the US you would make sure to have a fair random sample.  If, on the other hand, you are primarily testing those who seek testing because they have symptoms or have been in contact with someone who was infected or something like that,  that sample would be expected to have a higher incidence of infections than the general population - unless, unless of course there were also a lot of hypochondriacs in the sample. :)  Please don't make me spend about another 50 pages on that topic.  I'm actually trying to avoid it.

The quality of a sample is important, but so is the sample size.   A very small sample will have limited value.  There is usually a sample size that is large enough that if you repeat the sample you will get very similar results and below which, the results will vary wildly.

Think of the heads/tails coins experiment.  If you flip a coin three or four times, you might easily get all heads or all tails, but as you increase the number of observations your distribution will more closely resemble the distribution that you would expect, which is half heads and half tails.  You don't need thousands or even hundreds of flips to be pretty sure your sample distribution comes close to the expected 50/50 distribution.  But that much simpler example than most real-world problems.

A sample has to be representative, which means it has to reflect the characteristics of the area you want to know more about.  You can't just sample the wet sand or dry sand if you want to draw conclusions about the entire beach.  As you know, there are places that coins and other objects are much more likely to be found than others, whether you are talking about wet or dry sand.

I'll wind it up here for today.  Maybe return to the topic some other time now that a lot of the background has been laid.

Anyhow, if you don't know where you want to spend your time, you might consider sampling an area or multiple areas of the beach to see if there is any evidence that you should detect that area more thoroughly.

When you look at a beach and see several spots you might consider and don't have time to thoroughly detect them all, you might sample each one before deciding where to spend your time.

I know I didn't do a good job on this topic.  It would probably take a fifty pages to do that.  Anyhow, maybe I gave you something to think about.

I'll undoubtedly come back and try to clean this up.

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The surf is still small on the Treasure Coast and there is no tropical weather in the Atlantic on the National Hurricane Map.

Thursday, June 25, 2020

6/25/20 Report - Treasure Coast Historic Places - Fort Pierce Casino and Sea Mist. Some Recent Fossil Finds.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.


Fort Pierce Casino
Submitted by GM.

I received the above postcard image of the Fort Pierce casino from GM, who also sent the following picture of the casino being used during WW II. That caption refers to the casino as "a pre-war dance hall located south of the Ft. Pierce Inlet."



Thanks GM.


Nick, who sent the following pictures of the casino said, The casino was right where you make the left curve into ty he now jetty parking lot. 



Fort Pierce Casino (Bottom Right)
Submitted by Nick.


Fort Pierce Casino
Submitted by Nick.

Thanks Nick.
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Guapo (GM) also sent me the following photos and captions showing the Sea Mist.  Sorry if it is a difficult to read, but you can see the original source - the Vero Beach Press Journal.




Thanks again GM.

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Recent Beach Fossil Finds by Timothy M.
Photo submitted by Timothy M.

Timothy M. recently found the above fossils and sent the following message.


Hello again. My wife and I were out around low tide Monday afternoon just walking some beaches cleaning up trash and doing some eyeballing. She has an eye for sea glass and picked up a few nice greens. I had been talking about fossils when just north of middle cove I found a small bone with a joint, leg, wing? Little later on at the north end of Walton rocks, she found this nice dark black bone fragment with visible marrow! She trumps me again.

Your blog always encourages people to think above lost human treasures. We had a great time wondering about the origin of these obviously truly ancient objects.

Once again thanks for sharing your knowledge and joy of discovery.

Thanks for sharing Timothy.  Glad you enjoy the various types of treasure that can be found on the Treasure Coast beaches.

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On the Treasure Coast the surf is still small, but we have some negative tides.

We are getting some dust from the Sahara dust storm.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net




Wednesday, June 24, 2020

6/24/20 Report - Important Roman Ingot Found by Detectorist. Sebastian Treasure Story of Last Century. Wabasso Bridge.


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Lead Ingot Found by Detectorist.
Source: See ShropshireStar link below.


One of the most significant Roman objects found in Wales in recent years has been discovered by a metal detectorist.

Rob Jones discovered a metal object in a field near Rossett and careful digging revealed the corner of a lead object with ‘writing’ on it...

The object found was a large lead ingot or ‘pig’ (about half a metre long, weighing 63 kilograms). The ‘writing’ reported by Mr Jones was a cast Latin inscription confirming that it was Roman and about 2,000 years old...

Lead o
re or galena contains silver as well as lead, and both were valuable commodities for the Romans. 

Less than a hundred lead ingots of this type are known from the mines of Roman Britain...



Here is the link for the rest of that article.

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/oswestry/2020/06/20/metal-detectorist-in-historic-roman-discovery/

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Yesterday DJ asked where the Fort Pierce casino was.  JamminJack said,


The Casino was on the lot where you park to fish on the the north side of Ft. Pierce Inlet. We used to find old tokens, etc, after it was torn down. I want to say it was still around in the 1960s, but I am not sure.

He also said the hotel he identified as Sexton's in yesterdays post could have actually been the Sebastian Inn, and included the following information he found.



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The old swing bridge at Wabasso was removed, renovated and now lives at Disneyworld as part of the Main Street  Railroad.

Alberto S. alerted me to that, and sent the following picture of the bridge.


Old Wabasso Bridge at Disneyworld.
Submitted by Alberto S.

Here is a link that tells more about that.

https://www.florida-backroads-travel.com/old-wabasso-bridge.html

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There is now a tropical depression in the Atlantic - Dolly.  It is far north of us and will never affect us, but it is the time of year when you have to stay alert for tropical storm activity.  As you know, summer storms can produce some of the best metal detecting.

We are getting some decent negative tides and the surf is still small.


Happy hunting,
Treasureguide@comcast.net


Tuesday, June 23, 2020

6/23/20 Report - Historical Treasure Coast Images From Wabasso, Vero and St. Lucie. A Few Finds.


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Very Round Ball-Shape Object Found Yesterday.

Here are some finds I picked up yesterday.  I don't know what the ball-shaped object might be.  It looks a lot like a cannon ball, but I'll have to do some cleaning and investigate that.

The bottles below are embossed Coca Cola and Stuart Bottling Works bottles.  Both had a lot of shells on them.  The Coke is from Washington, DC.  I think that is the first I got from there.


Embossed Coca Cola and Stuart Bottling Works Bottles.

I've been able to find some information on the Stuart Bottling Works, but don't think I ever found out what they were putting in those bottles.  I'd guess soda or mineral water.

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The Sea Mist, Wabasso Beach.
Postcard Image Submitted by JamminJack

Yesterday I mentioned using old postcards for research. JamminJack said, I used post cards for research for a long time. Years ago, I donated my collection to Historical Society. It made me feel rewarded knowing future researchers will have access to them.


Below were several used for my research for 1715 Fleet and Treasure Coast. They are accessible online through MyFlorida site. 

This photo was taken before development of Wabasso beach. Check the cars and see if you can figure out the time frame.  


The title reads...

The Sea Mist, Wabasso Beach.

Back then Vero and Wabasdo were one beach. Confuses researchers when reading older articles on wrecks found, etc. 

Do you know exactly where it was?


Penn Wood Court
Postcard Image Submitted by JamminJack


About this one, Jack said, ... Pennwood Court, now Pennwood Motel. Kip Wagner helped with the construction of the motel.


Sexton's Motel Resort.
Postcard Image Submitted by JamminJack.


...Sexton's motel/resort. He was known for taking his guests across the Indian Lagoon to areas where treasure was being found.


St. Lucie State Museum.



3rd image is the building that later became Seal Museum at Pepper Park. This was built after treasure was being found in the Ft. Pierce area. I remember going in this museum.

Thanks to Jack for those images and descriptions. 

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From DJ...


Your June 22 blog reminded my of a search I could not complete. I found this reference to a casino (highlighted for you) and have been unable to locate the site of the old Casino. The only other reference was an advertisement I found once. I would imagine it would be directly across the Indian River as the barrier island was was only accessible by boat at that time. But thats a large area and many uncertain facts remain. Lots of development since them and most artifacts would likely be covered up by now or in the Indian River under sand and silt, anyway good to think about.

DJ also sent the following image of a great research tool.



Thanks DJ.


Can anyone tell us where the Fort Pierce casino was? I only have a vague recollection that I once knew about it.

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The low tide was nice and low yesterday.  The surf is still small.

Tropical depress Four is off the New England coast.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net