Showing posts with label Targets. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Targets. Show all posts

Tuesday, August 20, 2019

8/20/19 Report - Air Test Metal Detector Comparison. Mystery Object. Ghost Town Dig.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.


I am going to be doing some metal detector tests on the Equinox and a few other metal detectors.

Today I did an air test comparing the Equinox with the Garrett Ace 250.

I've posted in detail about air tests and their limitations, so I won't do that at length here.  I must however remind you that what is really important is how a metal detector will function in various environments on targets in the ground.  I also have to remind you that a poor detector used well is better than a good detector used poorly.  In other words, you have to know how to use it well in the field.

Both metal detectors I used today have a variety of functions and settings.  The Equinox has more options, some of them I find very useful.  

This test was done in an environment with a good number of sources of electrical interference.  I've found that the Equinox sometimes does better in this environment with a change in frequencies.   The 250 does not have that option but does relatively well in this environment with the default settings.  I suspect I could have gotten better performance from the Equinox by changing frequencies or perhaps modifying some of the other settings.

What I used was the All-Metals mode with maximum sensitivity on the 250, and Multi-frequency, Field 1 mode on the Equinox.    No other adjustments were made.

The test targets in this case were a (1) a zinc penny, (2) a nickel, (3) clad dime (4) mercury dime, (5) clad quarter, and (6) silver quarter.

                                 Ace 250              Equinox
                                inches                 inches
Penny                        6,5                      7
Nickel                       7                         7
Clad Dime                5.5                      6
Silver Dime              6                         6
Clad Quarter             7                         7
Silver Quarter          6.5                       7

My measurements are approximate.

Near maximum distance the Equinox signal was somewhat variable.  I don't know how to describe it, but I'd say it wasn't as solid or certain.  I was conservative with my distances.

You might expect more of a difference between the two detectors given the price disparity, however once again I have to say that air tests aren't terribly meaningful.  Even though I've had very little time on the Equinox, I have come to appreciate some of the additional features and suspect it will easily outperform the Ace in wet sand.  I also suspect the Equinox would have done better if I took time to tweek the settings, but for this first comparison I wanted to go with the most basic default settings.

The Ace has a simple ID meter and the Equinox provides a conductivity readout.  Here are those readings.


                                 Ace 250              Equinox
                                    ID                Conductivity
Penny                       penny                      22
Nickel                      nickel                      13
Clad Dime               dime                        25
Silver Dime             dime                      25-26
Clad Quarter            quarter                     30
Silver Quarter          quarter                     29

The silver coins read a little lower than the same denomination clad coins.

The 13 conductivity of the nickel is like the small square pulltabs.

Conductivity readings tend to jump around a little.

I'll do more sophisticated and meaningful tests in the future and use some other metal detectors and other test targets, such as gold and artifacts.

Here a couple links for a post on air tests.

https://treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com/2014/09/91314-report-problems-with-air-tests.html

 https://treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com/2015/01/some-problems-with-air-tests-physical.html

I've mentioned before that you should use test targets like the kinds of objects that you'd most like to find.  If you want to find gold rings, use gold ring test targets, for example.

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John E. found this object and wondered what it is.  I think somebody will get this one pretty quick.

It is 4 by 5.5 inches.

Mystery Object
Photo by John E.
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A ghost town dig revealed hundreds of prehistoric artifacts.

Here is that link.

https://www.poconorecord.com/news/20190818/dig-at-pa-ghost-town-unearths-prehistoric-past

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Maybe we'll get some new photos of Treasure Coast shipwreck salvage finds soon.

There are still no storms forming that might impact us.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net




Wednesday, May 8, 2019

5/8/19 Report - Difficult to Recover Targets and a Few Tips. Three Finds for Thoughts and Opinions.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.


Compass Rosette Find.
Find and photo by Trina O.



Trina O. reported this item found at Wabasso a couple days ago. It is five inches in diameter.

It looks like a compass rosette to me, but I need some help here. It seems to large for a regular hand compass. There is no hole in the middle, but I suppose the dial could be suspended. And I'd think there would be another ring around the rosette. I'd like to hear from some of you guys who have more experience with these. Does it look like it is from a functional compass?

Let me know what you think.

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Here is an mystery item (actually two) that requires more than a single photo.



Above are three different views of  the two objects that seem to have exploded at one end.  See also two closer views of the larger one below.

I've found several of these that are very similar.

They appear to be copper or copper alloy and shaped something like shell casings. There is a hole in one end, but the other end appears to be blown off.   As you can see, one exploded more completely than the other.  I thought they might be shell casings at first, but they don't look like any that I am familiar with.

The small end with the hole in the middle of it is about 3/8 inch in diameter.

The cylinder seems to expand a bit from the end, but that might be due to the force of the explosion.

Notice how the metal on the one end was blown back.



What do you think these are?

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There are some  targets that can drive you crazy.  They just don't want to stay in a sand scoop.  Some are small.  Some are light and want to float away.  Some are nimble.  And some are big or awkward.

Evasive targets can be even more evasive when you are working in rough water when there is little or no visibility.

There are small items that will continue to escape through the hole in your scoop.  There are those that keep getting swept out of the front of your scoop.  And then there are the chains.

Gold and silver chains can be very evasive.   You'll get part of a chain in your scoop, and then when you lift the scoop, there will be enough of the that is not in your scoop that the entire chain will slide out as you lift.  That is especially true of the large and heavy chains.

Small chains will snake through the hole in your scoop.  They'll also slip through a small hole in your pocket.  I once had to backtrack  nearly a mile and refind a very nice gold chain that did that to me.

Small objects can take a lot of time to corral.  One I always remember is a small gold bead that I could barely see in the sand even when I had it on my coil cover.  I kept moving it around and heard the signal but still couldn't see it.  It was about the same color as the sand and very small.

Another was a miniature copper teapot that kept slipping through the hole in my scoop. The water was rough and visibility was zero.  Rough water complicates things, because when the item slips through your scoop, it doesn't fall straight down, so you have to find it again.

Sometimes the bottom is so packed and rocky that digging is impossible.  I've described other techniques for dealing with that.

For large deep objects near the water line, one technique has helped me a lot.  Of course you can get a shovel and a buddy and dig like crazy, and you can build a little sand dike, or try to drain the hole, or line the hole with a bottomless bucket or something like that, but none of those have helped me like what I'm about to describe.

After digging the hole to as close to the object as you can get, get down on the ground and stick your hand and arm into the sand soup and feel around.  That sounds simple enough, but it really helps a lot of the time.  If you can get your hand on the object so you can feel its exact depth and location, you'll have a much better chance of getting it out.  Sometimes you can grab it and pull it out.  Be careful not to get stuck or cut.

If an object is long and thin, like a rod, due to the detector's response, you might be digging to one side or another rather than having a good idea of the rod's position.   It is difficult to get something like that in your scoop, but if you know exactly where it is at, you'll have more luck.

For flat objects, you'll have to get the tip of the scoop or shovel under the edge of the object.  If you don't know exactly where the edge is, you'll keep banging into the top of the object.

The arm stretch won't be successful every time, but it will help.  When nothing short of an excavator works, I just leave the object and keep watching for the sand to move until I can get a better shot at it.  You might be worried that someone else will get it, and that is possible, but I've seen objects like that stay in place for years before finally getting to it.

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John E. sent this photo showing the back of his mystery object along with a penny for size comparison.






My best guess is still earring even though I'm far from sure.  It looks like it would be difficult to insert.

The symbolism of the trident and water and the shape of the object make me think of fertility symbols, but that is probably way off.

What do you think?

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We'll have a little bigger surf Thursday, but a south wind.


Source: MagicSeaWeed.com


Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Saturday, December 15, 2018

12/15/18 Report - How To Be More Successful. Underground Cables. Diamond Size of Chicken Egg Found in Canada.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of TreasureBeachesReport.blogspot.com.

In my yesterday's post I posted comments from Dale J. about buried cables being the cause of noisy metal detector operation in some locations on the Treasure Coast.  Steve M. then sent the following message.



Today’s post you talked about buried cables, most boat GPS chart plotters will show submarine cables, so anyone anchoring, dredging etc, will know it is there. If you have a boat with one you just cursor to the beach and check to see if there is a cable. I will do that and get back to you about that. Some are not being used and some are. With my PI detectors I pick regular power lines at a fairly close range and the huge cross the state ones pretty far range. I suppose that a submarine cable coming under the beach would do the same thing. 

Steve then checked and this is what he found.


Rio Mar Cable Location
Submitted by Steve M.
 Steve said, I did find 2 different places with several cables each at Vero.  Looks like that is the only place along the Treasure Coast that has cables. West Palm Beach inlet also has some.  You can see where the cables are and the Lat and Long of each place approximately.  Hope this helps.  I am sure it would mess with any detector.

That certainly does match up well with the noisy area at Rio Mar.

Thanks Steve.

One other consistently noisy location is just south of the Fort Pierce inlet.  Those that are south of Rio Mar and Turtle Trail are very consistent.  I also mentioned a less strong and more sporadic noisy spot at Pepper Park.

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Just in time before you send your list to Santa, miners in the far reaches of Canada announced that they found a rough 552-carat yellow diamond, which is the largest diamond ever discovered in North America and the seventh-largest diamond ever found.

The diamond—about the size of a chicken egg-- was discovered in October in Canada's Northwest Territories-- in Diavik-- which is about 135 miles away from the Arctic Circle, Mining.com reported...


https://www.foxnews.com/science/552-carat-yellow-diamond-found-in-canada-largest-ever-in-north-america'

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I was watching a recent episode of Oak Island ( I think it was episode 5 of seascon 6 ) and one of the Laginas said that the metal detector finds always raised more questions rather than answering them.   I once wrote that would be the case.  Isolated near-surface finds that are part of no particular strategy will very seldom answer any big questions.  Just think about it.  The island has hundreds of years of history and therefore has tons of metal objects left behind by many people doing many different things, most of which have little nothing to do with the Money Pit or any major treasure activity, and even when they do have something to do with those things, it will be difficult to interpret or prove.  I  also conjectured that they were using metal detecting finds to fill air time and have something to talk about since they didn't have much of anything else in the way of significant finds to talk about.  Otherwise it would seem that the metal detecting efforts were only symptomatic of a generally disorganized search strategy.

One thing they really need is a well-defined goal with specific objectives.  I've heard different people on the show describe the goals in very different ways.  The TV guy once said for him it was all about the story.  One of the Laginas said what he wanted to find out is if "anything" happened on Oak Island.  I interpret that to mean "anything big or treasure related."  Somebody else said they wanted to find out what is in the money pit.   Viewers might think the show is actually about finding some huge treasure.  If you listen to what different people on the show say, they have different views of what it is all about, and that shows up in how they search.  Their goal is not clearly defined and therefore their search is unfocused.

Different detectorists have different goals.  Some are out for a little leisure.  Others want some exercise, and a nice day in the sun.  Some go out and stroll around and hope to be lucky enough to find a little this or that.  Some hunt coins.  Others hunt jewelry or caches.  Some say it is all about the hunt.  They just like the activity.

Every detectorists should have a good idea of what it is they want to accomplish.  It is not so important for those who want a little recreation or exercise, but it is very important for those who really want to maximize the return on their time or who want to find something big.

What do you want to accomplish?  I mean really!

Writing down your goals and objectives can be a big help but isn't always necessary.  If you want to improve your rate of success, the first most helpful step will be defining your goal in very specific terms.  Your search strategy can not be focused unless your goals are well-defined. Well designed goals will also help you develop theories and test hypotheses.

I won't get into the details of what makes a well-defined goal.   That would take too long. As a consultant, I used to teach that to Fortune 100 companies and graduate school students.

To give an example, lets say your goal might be to find 100 pieces of gold jewelry in a year.  That defines a specific type of target, gives a quantity and a time frame.  Those are some of the things you might want to include.   That will help you to assess your progress and stay on target.  It will help you remain focused.

Goals can change.  Lets say your goal is to locate and identify the Atocha.  Once you have accomplished that, your goal might become recovering all the treasure of the Atocha.  Or if during the search you discovered another worthy target, you might change your target.

Although it might seem very basic and unnecessary, well defined goals will help anyone who wants to accomplish something difficult.

Poorly considered and poorly defined goals will result in a disorganized search.  Without well designed goals, searches will not be focused and will seldom answer significant questions.

Besides well-defined goals I highly recommend the development of theories that can be tested, but I'll have to talk about that some other time.

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On the Treasure Coast will have around a two foot surf for at least a few days.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net



















Tuesday, December 26, 2017

12/26/17 Report - Over-hunted and Worked-Out Beaches. Different Types of Sites. Santa Dead?


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

I'm not always extremely careful with the wording in my posts.  I do too many posts too quickly for that.  I am usually pretty clear. I think, but sometimes I need to clarify what I meant and how I define the terms that I use.

In a post not long ago I used the term over-hunted.  For me, over-hunted is not exactly the same thing as hunted-out.  I use those terms slightly differently.  Over-hunted is relative.  It means that a site is hunted more than is warranted by the number of targets relative to other available sites.  Hunted-out, on the other hand, means to me,that the good targets (however that is defined for the situation) have been removed.  That is not relative to other available hunting sites.  There are simply no targets in detector range at such a site.  There will be some good targets on over-hunted sites, but fewer than at other local sites that could be detected.

Hunted-out sites might be hunted out, but things can change over time.  Any site that has a good number of visitors that lose things will be over-hunted rather than hunted-out. Over-hunted beaches will generally remain over hunted even if there are a good number of visitors because they are hunted heavily relative to the rate of replenishment.  So the number of available targets is kept low.  That does not mean that you can not find anything on an over-hunted beach.  It just means that you could find more at beaches that are not so heavily hunted.

If you are targeting old items on a shipwreck beach that has few visitors other than detectorists, that type of beach is much more likely to qualify as hunted-out because replenishment will occur much less often.

Any beach that has a good number of visitors that can lose things will be replenished on a regular basis and finds will be made.  The real question then is, are there other beaches where you could make more good finds. There are a lot of factors that can be involved in site selection.  I've discussed many of them before and won't try to get into all of that again now.

Hunting modern items is different than hunting old shipwreck items in several ways.  If you are hunting modern items, they can be anywhere they are lost.  Knowing how things are lost and where most good things are lost is the most important thing in that case.  When hunting old items, knowing how items get moved by nature over time is a more important skill.  Of course that knowledge also can be useful when hunting modern items if the modern items have been on the beach a while and especially if the the site was popular for years or decades.  If a site like that has been heavily hunted for years or decades and you are hunting mostly recent drops, knowing how items are moved over time is obviously less important.

If you are near a popular beach and hunt modern items, you can hunt the same beach daily and still make good finds without any special knowledge other than knowing how to use a metal detector. Just cover the same area daily and pick up whatever is there.  You'll eventually get to know that beach very well and it can work for you.  You'll even pick up some rare or strange items if you stick at it long enough.  The big thing is to be there and spend the time.  Targeting items that are centuries old is different.  You will be depending more on conditions changing to bring old items within detector range.

Some beaches have both old items and new items.  One such beach is Wabasso.  It occasionally produces old shipwreck items, but also has a resort and a good number of daily visitors.  That makes things easier, however it is also heavily hunted, as you would expect of such a beach.

What appears to one person to be a hunted-out beach might not be for another more skillful person.  On the other hand, an over-hunted beach is an over-hunted beach regardless of your skill level.

I hope that helps to clarify how I use those two terms.  There is a significance difference between the two terms and the way I use them.

As I said, site selection depends upon a lot of factors, and personal preference, style and convenience are just a few of them.

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I always liked trying new and different types of sites.  I often learned something when I visited a new site.  While you might learn something from trying a different kind of detecting or a new kind of site, there is one short-term disadvantage.  When you try a new site you obviously won't know the site very well.  Therefore you will probably not be as effective at the new site as you would be at a site that you detect all the time and know very well.  In time you'll learn to detect the new site more effectively, and there will also be the bonus of being able to take what you learned and applying that new knowledge or skill to your old sites.

Sometimes you can hit a super good find through nothing dumb luck.  You just wander over to an area where there is no real reason that there should be anything good, and bingo.  That happens more with recent drops than old items on a beach.  Very old beach targets seldom show up any place other than where the forces of nature put them, whether you understand those forces or not.  There are exceptions, of course, such as when someone else finds the old item and then drops it again.  That is one example of how an old item can end up where you would never expect it to be.  In that case, it becomes what I would call a "recent drop" even if it is a very old item.  It happens.

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Santa dead?

Bones thought by some to be the bones of Saint Nicolas have been dated to the correct period of time.

Here is the link.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/12/06/santas-bone-dates-to-time-st-nicholas-scientists-discover.html

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We had some wind from the direction of the North Pole yesterday, but I did't get out to any beaches check.

Happy hunting,
Treasureguide@comcast.net

Thursday, July 20, 2017

7/20/17 Report - What Might You Be Missing: Trade-offs and Strategic Metal Detecting Strategies.


Written by the treasureguide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Three Shipwreck Spikes and Some Modern Coins
What kind of items would you most likely miss?  Different people miss different things.  Everybody misses some types of items.   Your detector and settings and hunting style will be more tuned for some types of items, but that will mean that there will be other things you will miss.

There are always some trade-offs.  Your hunting style might be near optimal.  You might be finding the types of things you want to find while not missing much that you don't care about.  But do you know?  Do you know what you might be missing?  When you decide to discriminate or skip one type of item, are you aware of what else you might also be skipping?

You may never know what you left in the ground.  There might have been a few surprises.  I bet there were.

The number of watches I find has always been surprising to me.  I was surprised, first of all, by how many are lost, and secondly, how long they seem to remain on heavily detected beaches.  The thing is that they aren't identified by detector meters and they can sound like junk.  If you leave a watch in the ground, you might be leaving the most valuable thing you passed over all day.  That is just one example of the kind of thing I'm talking about.

There are some things that I'm sure I would have found years sooner, except they were in my "blind zone."  I didn't realize it for a long time, but it was the result of the characteristics of my metal detector and the items that I was targeting at the time.  I was focusing on gold jewelry, and as a result, there were other things that I was missing.

You can not avoid making some trade-offs when you focus your hunting on certain types of finds.  It is wise to focus your time and efforts.   Your decisions can save you time and optimize results.  You might be perfectly fine with deciding to accept one type of error in order to save time and optimize your overall results, but you need to be aware of the effect of your decisions so you know you aren't missing things that you'd really rather find.

Here is a little quiz.  Which of the items in the photo at the top of the post do you think a detectorist would most likely fail to find if it was in the metal detector's range and the coil was right over it?  

I'm going to talk about this in generalities today.  Assume all of those items were all at the same shallow depth. And I'm not going to go by any particular metal detector or the particular settings you might use.

You might think that size is the primary determinant, but in this case it probably wouldn't be the smallest of these items that most detectorists would miss.

I'd say that probably fifty percent or more of the detectorists that hunt the Treasure Coast would not detect the second item from the left.  It is a broken iron spike.

If I'm talking about another area of the country where other types of detectors predominate and where there are more relic hunters, for example, the results would not be the same.

You'd think that most detectors would detect a shipwreck spike, but many will not, even one of the ones that is very commonly used on the Treasure Coast shipwreck beaches will miss them.  You might run full sensitivity and no discrimination and it will still not respond to iron targets like this.

Years ago I wondered why I hadn't found iron shipwreck spikes even though I found all kinds of other shipwreck finds, including small cobs.  The simple reason is that I wasn't digging iron at the time, and the particular detector I was using at the time would null out on iron.  If you aren't digging iron, you won't find iron, and there might actually be a few iron items that you'd prefer to have. Again, it is good to be aware of the effect of the decisions you make.

The first spike in the photo is an interesting one to me.  It was bent over then clenched in, but then the head pulled through the wood.

The iron spike in the photo, is broken, as you can see.  The smaller spike to the right of the iron spike is copper, like the first one shown in the photo, and I think more Treasure Coast detectorists would dig the copper spike than the iron spike.

Of course, some metal detectors are very hot to iron and would easily detect the iron spike.  Most people do not like to detect with a lot of iron sensitivity and so either choose another type of detector or use some type of discrimination.

I'm talking about this to encourage you to get to know your detector and the possible results of different detecting strategies.  You might want to test your detector and the way you detect to see if what I am saying is true for you.  You should know if your detector is hot to iron or not.  Don't just complain about the iron junk.  Make a calculated decision.


Another Selection of Finds.
Here is a second grouping.  Which item in this photo do you think the most people would miss?

Again, you have to know what they are made of.   The first is copper; the second bronze; the third is lead, and the fourth object is lead.

The copper, bronze and lead will usually give a good strong signal on many metal detectors.  The one that many people might miss would be the third item: the lead stylus.  ( It has been identified as a stylus, although other people think otherwise.  I've recently talked about the difficulty of identifying artifacts.)

The lead stylus is surprisingly stealthy to a lot of detectors, while the crumpled lead sheathing gives a huge signal. 

What I said today might or might not be true for your detector and how you detect. My primary purpose with this is to make you think about different types of targets, and your detector and how you hunt.  I'm convinced that trade-offs are unavoidable, but can be good.  You just have to make informed decisions.

It is easy to miss certain types of items and never know it.  That might include a few of the types of items that you might prefer to find.  That is why it is important to know your detector and experiment with a variety of types of objects.

If I figure out how to get my detector sound recordings into blogger, I might give you some examples for two or three specific detectors.

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Tropical storm Don has disappeared and there is now no tropical activity in the Atlantic or Gulf.

Expect a one to two foot surf for several days.  We are having some decent negative tides.  Every tidal cycle, some sand in the very shallow water and at the water's edge gets shifted.

Happy hunting,
Treasureguide@comcast.net


Friday, January 30, 2015

1/30/15 Report - V Nickle Find. Copper 1943 S Penny. Some More Observations On Learning To Use A Detector.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.BlogSpot.com.

V Nickle Find
Photo by Dan B.

Here is Dan's first V Nickel find.

Congratulations Dan.


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Have you ever found a copper 1943 S penny?  I really doubt it.  If you have you are very lucky.

Here is how one such penny was found.  Kenneth Wing was 14 years old in 1944 when he made his rarest penny find. The penny was dated 1943-S, but it was made of copper, rather than the expected zinc-coated steel. Wing took the coin to his local coin dealer who made him a very generous offer for the time, $500, but Wing said he didn't want to sell the coin...

Kenneth tried to have the coin authenticated, obtaining the opinion of experts from the Smithsonian as well as coin grading services and other experts.  Some thought it was not authentic, but eventually it was accepted as authentic. 

The coin was put in a safe deposit box and forgotten until Kenneth passed away.  The heirs were able to sell the coin with documentation for $72,500.

Click here to see the entire story about this copper 1943 S penny.

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According to Kovels Komments,  New York State now includes mammoth ivory in its ivory ban. The state decided the federal ban wasn’t strong enough. Jewelers have been making expensive jewelry with mammoth ivory legally found on private property. This means antique scrimshaw and jewelry with mammoth ivory can’t be sold or exported. Jewelers say it is possible to tell ancient mammoth ivory from new ivory. But the New York State conservation office says it is difficult and that new ivory may be altered to look like old, so the ban is needed. New Jersey has also banned mammoth ivory and California has a bill in the works.

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Some detectors can be mastered relatively quickly, but others can take much more time.

Recently I saw a fellow at a beach using a cheap detector.  I felt a little sorry for the fellow.  I doubt that he knew what his detector would or wouldn't do.  He was swinging the coil about a foot off of the ground.  If I wasn't in such a hurry I would have stopped and had a talk with him.  I seriously doubt that he could have detected a coin on the surface with that detector, certainly not while his coil was so high off the ground. 

Something like that is easy to demonstrate.  I've said it before.  Do some tests.  I bet that fellow would have been shocked and disappointed to learn that he couldn't detect a single coin the way he was going.

The longer I detect the more use I find for test objects.  I almost always have a few test objects with me when I'm in the field now, most especially when I'm using a detector that I haven't thoroughly mastered.  I'm also thinking that a lot of the time people have not thoroughly mastered their detector, even sometimes when the think they have.

As you move from one environment to another, performance will change.  As you move from dry sand to wet sand to moving water, performance will change.  Lately I've been testing a new detector and using test objects to see how the detector responds to different types of objects under different circumstances.   I've learned how some settings will change performance in some environments, but not all of them.  I pretty much know how many inches I'll lose in a high EMI environment as compared to a low EMI environment, for example.  I also pretty much know about how many inches I gain or lose on different types of targets as I move from one environment to another.

Maybe I'm slow, but it is taking me quite a while to really get it all down.  You can learn a lot by using different test objects in different environments with different settings.  I'm continuing to learn and know that I have a lot more tests to do before I can be satisfied that I really know as much as I want to know about using this new detector.

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On the Treasure Coast expect more of the same with maybe a slight increase in the surf this weekend. 

If you look at the surfing web site, they are predicting a big surf (something like 10 feet) for next weekend.  As I've commented before, those big predictions that are a week out are seldom correct.  My bet would be that the big surf predicted for next weekend will change in a couple days.  Nine out of ten times it does.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@Comcast.net

Thursday, September 4, 2014

9/4/14 Report - How Coins and Rings Sink In Beach Sand. Targets Only Sink As Far As The Disturbed Layer.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.BlogSpot.com.

Same Cup of Water and Sand
Shown Yesterday.

Just in:  I have some great new pictures of treasure ship finds sent by Captain Jonah!   Probably tomorrow.


I accidentally did an ingenious experiment.  I should probably call it an observation rather than an experiment.  I'll get back to that in just a minute. 

I always enjoy receiving emails from this blog's readers.  They are an educated and intelligent bunch.

Yesterday I talked about how objects of interest sink in sand.  I received an email from Bill F., who has a degree in physical oceanography and did his undergrad thesis on beach erosion at Ponce Inlet.  

Here is some of what Bill said.

1)  The finer the sand particle, the flatter the beach
2)  The faster the current, the bigger the particles which are moved
3)  As you show, without wave/water energy, objects don't settle on their own.
4)  The heavier/denser an object, the less likely it is to move horizontally.
5)  Shape makes a difference.

Thanks Bill!   Those are some good points to remember.


Above is a picture of the same cup that I showed yesterday.  The ring and coin in this cup never sank so much as a micro inch while it sat undisturbed.   That clearly demonstrates one thing Bill said -  without wave/water energy, objects don't settle on their own. 

I decided to see what it actually takes for objects to sink in the sand.  I put my hand over the cup and moved the cup in a semi-circular motion so that the water moved.  When the water moved the very top layer of sand lifted and the suspended sand moved with the water while the objects pretty much stayed in place.  When I stopped, a little sand covered the objects, but very little.  With gentle only the sand above the green line moved.  This is important, and I'll get back to it.

When the objects got covered there were a couple of ways I could tell how deeply they got covered.  You'll notice that the surface of the sand in the cup (below the yellow line) is not exactly horizontal. 
A perfectly circular even motion moved the water so that the sand remained level across the cup, but by moving in a more jerky  manner resulted in the sand moving from one side to the other of the cup to the other. 

I could see how deeply the objects got buried either by sticking my finger in and finding the objects or I tilting the cup and moving it so that the sand then uncovered one side and one object.   I could then see where the previously covered object had stopped sinking.  

Here is an important point.  The amount of sand that moved when I moved the cup was directly related to how fast I moved the cup and therefore how fast the water moved. 

I had no idea how important it was going to be for me to be able to see through the container when I started this experiment. 

When moving the cup gently, a small amount of sand moved - only a thin layer.  Approximately the amount of sand above the green line which I drew on the picture of the cup moved when I moved the cup gently.  The top of that layer moved the most, decreasing as the moving layer got deeper until there was no suspension and movement of sand at all.

The fastest moving sand was clearly suspended, and the grains appeared farther apart than the grains that were lower in the moving layer, which moved more slowly and less overall.

 How deep do you think the objects sank in the sand when the cup was moved gently?   Now this is an important principle.  The objects sank to the surface of the layer of stable sand, and then stayed there.

I recalled how many times in the past few years that I dug an object and found it on the surface of a lower layer of sand.  If you go back through this blog I'm sure you can find that.  Often the lower layer was a different color or texture.  Often it was a layer composed of course shells.

That might not be surprising finding, but it sure was interesting to see.  I could keep the water moving at a relatively slow rate and no more sand would be suspended or moved.  No matter how long I kept the water moving at the same speed, the objects sank no deeper than to the surface of the layer of stable sand.

I know this is not a highly controlled experiment and what happens on a beach will be somewhat different, but in I think this principle will hold.  Just like in the previous report, the objects did not sink into the undisturbed sand no matter how long they sat there in the cup.  In this demonstration the objects did not sink into undisturbed sand even though they did sink through the suspended moving sand.

Here are a few observations that held up all through these demonstrations with the moving cup.

 (1) Only a relatively thin layer of sand was disturbed by the moving water. 
(2)  When the cup and water was moved more forcefully, a larger layer of sand was moved.
(3)  The speed of the sand decreased in the moving layer of sand from top to bottom until there was no movement at the bottom of the layer.

At first I moved the cup gently and only the layer above he green line moved, but when I moved the cup more forcefully, then the sand moved as deep as the light blue line, and that is where the objects ended up, and when I moved it even more forcefully, the sand moved as deeply as the dark blue line, and that is about where the objects ended up.

On the beach, different storms will disturb deeper layers of sand allowing targets to sink deeper.  They will then often be covered again by incoming sand. 

In this demonstration I'm only addressing sinking targets, which occurs primarily when the trigger point for sand is reached but not the trigger point for targets. 

This simple experiment has many limitations, but it reveals some important principles that I've observed in operation on the beach.  I reasoned that objects in deeper layers of undisturbed sand would remain in place, but with this demonstration I observed it and am much more certain of it.

Another thing I observed with this little experiment is how it is only suspended sand that moves.  I could see this on the beach just yesterday.  The waves were crashing on a sand bar.  In front of the sand bar was what I might call a flat topped creeping sand bar.  You could see a clear edge of a layer of sand that was moving from the crash zone towards shore.  The crash would suspend sand, and then that suspended sand would be washed ahead in the surge.

Where the sand was suspended, you couldn't see through the water.  That makes sense.  But closer to shore, where there was a dip beyond the creeping sand bar, and the water there was clear.  That is where I found a couple of relatively new coins that had not yet been covered by the incoming tide and creeping sand bar. 

As the tide comes in, the area where the waves crash and most sand is suspended closer to shore.  Obviously that means that a greater area of sand is affected.  The crash zone changes and the area of surge comes in and then goes out again.

If you've spent much time down in the Fort Lauderdale and Miami area, you know that they have much more calm water than we do.  Many days the shallow water sits still almost like you are in a bath tub, especially before the sun starts to heat things up.   The shallow water on the Treasure Coast seldom has that kind of flat water even when the surf is down to one foot.  That small difference in roughness appears to make a big difference in the average sink rate of targets.  They'll stay in detector range down there a lot longer than on the Treasure Coast.  Couple that with the absolute number of people and what they wear and there is an even bigger difference between South Florida and the Treasure Coast.  Bottom conditions are very different.

Well, I'll quit there for today.  This is getting long.  The principles demonstrated are important and help explain how things settle and therefore how and where things will be found.  I know that I did not address all of the relevant factors and situations. 

I'll do some more experiments someday to help answer some of the remaining questions.

I'm sure some of you will find this post tedious although several of you used the +1 button to indicate that you particularly liked the previous post.  For my own purposes and understanding, I'm glad I did the demonstration.


There are no storms to watch in the Atlantic right now.

On the Treasure Coast we still have a one foot surf and will continue to have a calm surf for at least a few more days.

Happy hunting,
Treasureguide@Comcast.net

Thursday, July 10, 2014

7/10/14 Report - The Math of Metal Detecting and How It Can Assist Decisions and Strategies



Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

Old Class Ring Found With Metal Detector
Source: Online

This is one of those class rings that was lost for a good number of years, but was recently found and returned.  I'll post the source of the article and photo if I can find it again.



Today I want to talk a little about the math of metal detecting, especially as it affects the strategies you might use.  This discussion will of necessity be very general because there are simply too many factors that can affect your results, and I won't be able to get real specific in this one post.   Each person's situation differs in a variety of ways.  Therefore this discussion should not be considered precise or final in any way, but it should help you to think about how you hunt and different decision strategies that you might use.

I have more reasons than one for presenting this topic.  You might decide to modify your detecting strategies as a result of this discussion.

If I remember correctly, the average face value of clad coin finds is about 7.5 cents.  That number should be close enough for this discussion anyway. 

Many things can affect that average for you.  Maybe you discriminate out nickels, for example.  Maybe you discriminate out zinc pennies, or maybe your detector is more or less sensitive to certain denominations.  Or maybe it is where you hunt or how you hunt that makes the difference. 

I'm sure some locations will produce proportions of different denomination coins than others.  For example, if there is a parking or entrance fee that is something like $2.50 cents, the number of quarters you'll find will probably be higher.  People will get often get fifty cents back in change.  That will increase the number of quarters and the average face value of coin finds.

All things considered, for discussion purposes I'll adopt 7.5 cents as the average face value for clad coin finds.

Using that number, if you want to pay for your a detector that cost you $1000, you'd have to find over 13,000 coins to pay for it that way.   Of course, that doesn't include any other items of value you might find, but that is a lot of coins.  You would be doing very well indeed to find that many coins in a year. 

If you find one Rolex (lets say a Rolex that you could sell used for $15,000, which is not the highest or the lowest) that is worth something like over 200,000 clad coins.  

Here is one thing I want you to see.  If you find one Rolex like that, the value would be higher than the value of coins that you might find for a period of several years.

So what would you rather do, dig a couple hundred thousand coins or a Rolex?

If people want to dig a couple hundred thousand coins, that must be the reason they air test their detector with clad coins.  Right? 

And that must be the reason they always talk about how deep they can detect a coin.  Right?

For me, the economic value of clad coins is not a lot better than what you could get for a bucket full of aluminum pull tabs or the lead from a bunch of sinkers.

If you'd rather find a Rolex than clad coins, or if you'd rather find gold rings, as another example,  adjust how you do things.  Air test your detector using the kind of things you really want to find.  Do your tests and practice with the kinds of things you want to find.   Again, I don't much care how deep a detector will detect a clad coin.  That is not my primary target.

If you would like to find a Rolex watch, practice running your coil over watches and see how they sound.  And go where Rolex's can be found. 

There are some places where it is much less likely that you will ever find a Rolex.   I'm just using the Rolex as an example, but I'm really talking about deciding whatever it is you really want to find and adjusting your behavior and strategies. 

If you want to find gold rings you might consider air testing with a gold ring instead of a coin, and setting your detector's settings to maximize the response to those types of targets instead of clad coins.

Of course there are many things that have a value between clad coins and a Rolex.   There are rings of various sizes and values, and all kinds of other things.

Below is a little chart I made.  The vertical axis shows the frequency of different types of finds, going from common inexpensive finds at the top to less common and higher value finds at the bottom.  The horizontal axis shows the value of different types of finds, going from one cent on the left to $100,000 on the right.


To the left of the curved line is worthless junk. 

The line starts high on the left because very low value targets are very common and very frequently found.  Hunting like most people, you'll find many pennies, nickels, dimes, etc. and not as many gold items.  

As the value increases (line going from left to right) the frequency they are found generally decreases (line goes from high to low).

Just to the right of the beginning of the downward sloping line there is a curve as you get into targets of increasing value such as silver rings, small gold rings, better rings, etc.   

Silver rings and gold bands fall largely in this big curve area.  They are less common than coins, but more common than more valuable finds.

The line gets pretty flat way out to the right.  There is not much difference in the probability of finding a $30,000 ring or a $40,000 ring.  That is why the line gets flat.  The frequency (or probability) does not decrease much at the very high level.  They are all fairly rare at that level.  How rare depends to some extent on where you hunt.

Lets say you find a gold band weighing one tenth of  a troy oz.  That is not the smallest you could find and it is way smaller than the heaviest you could find.  I would say it is not an uncommon weight.  You might get $60 or more for one tenth of an oz. of 14K gold at today's prices.  A ring like that would be worth something like 800 clad coin finds.

Of course you could find a ring weighing a full oz. or more, or it might have good quality diamonds, taking you up in the tens of thousands of dollars.

Low value targets are very common, but it seemingly takes forever for the value to accumulate to anything very significant.   Therefore, when deciding what you want to target you might want to make a calculated decision about where and how you want to hunt.  Maybe an area that produces fewer coins but more high value targets would be worthwhile.

You have to remember that low value targets have value other than economic value though.  For example, they can be signs or indicators about how the beach is sifting and sorting items.  That is an entire additional topic.   They also have a psychological value for some people because they at least keep it interesting when the hunt for higher value targets drags on.  Some people need the low value finds to keep them interested between higher value targets.  Not everybody can tolerate long periods of finding very little.

For me the "sign" or "indicator" value of coins is by far the most important.  In that regard they are again very much like pull tabs and types of metallic junk.  They tell you something about how the beach is sifting and sorting, and therefore also something about where you will or will not find the gold.

Economically, clad coins aren't worth a great deal more than the aluminum in a bucket of pulltabs or the lead in a bucket of sinkers.  

I'm not talking here about coins that have a value beyond their face value.

Here is a main point.  People often behave and detect in a way that would suggest that what they most want to find is clad coins.  

When you figure out which sites are best, don't forget to figure in the probability of large value finds.  At some locations the probability of a large value find might be near zero.  At locations where they are possible but not likely, don't entirely discount them because when they do occur the value is soooo much more significant that it will really make a difference in your totals.

I think a lot of people figure that if they go out and meander around and find some coins eventually they'll get a ring or something better, but if you want to maximize the economic value of your finds, you need to figure in the probability of higher value finds, which will affect your totals much more than clad coins. 

As I attempted to show with the calculations above, it takes relatively few high value finds to drastically change the total value of your finds.  Don't under weight high-value finds when you decide where and how you are going to hunt.  I'd rather hunt locations where I can target higher value finds.   One or two of those quickly adds up to more than many low value finds. 

If you intentionally target high-value finds, you will not necessarily find much else.  Some places have a good mix of coins and gold.  Sometimes there is a lot of gold where there are a lot of coins.  And at some places there are good high-value finds such as gold but almost no coins.  At first it might seem like that type of location holds nothing.   There might only be a few targets, but it only takes one high-value find to make a good day.

Condominium beaches are not like park beaches, for example.  People in condominiums normally don't fill their pockets with coins before going out to the beach.  Whereas people who have to put money in meters or pay an entrance fee or buy hot dogs, will have and lose more coins, but not necessarily good jewelry.

I am encouraging you to be specific about what you target.  Sample different locations.  Make some observations.   Collect data.  Make decisions more methodically, and hunt strategically.

Back to the economics of the issue.  Lets say there is a good chance of getting a $10,000 find at one location, and a good chance of getting a plain gold band of around one tenth an ounce ($60) at another location about once in every five hunts.  Your estimate might be that you would hit a quality ring of about $10,000 value once in 20 hunts and at the other location a gold band once every other hunt.  You'll find gold more often at the second beach, but look at how that works out. 

Expected value per hunt at the location with the probable high value ring = 1/20 x 10,000 = $500.
Expected value per hunt at the location with the probable gold band = 1/5 x $60 = $20.

Even though it might take much longer to hit a high quality ring at one location, it would average out to way more value than lower quality rings at another location even though on average you find them 4 times as often.

You can't evaluate a location based upon a single item, but you can see from this analysis how a piece of gold can heavily influence your average expected value at a site - certainly much more than common coins.   Figure other significant items in to the analysis as appropriate.

A site yielding a fair number of heavy class rings might produce a higher average value than a site producing a lot of wedding bands. 

Again, there are too many factors for me to address them all now.

I'll wind this up.  Here are some of my main points.   Be clear about what you target and why.  Adjust your decisions and strategies according to your target.  Be aware of the trade-offs.  Select sites based upon your best data and estimates and don't underestimate the value of high value targets.

Well that took a while.  I still had to really cut things down to make it semi-understandable.

That is as much as I'll get into today.

On the Treasure Coast the surf is still small but the tides are increasing a little. 

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net

Sunday, May 18, 2014

5/18/14 Report - Carpet of Treasure and Rare Windows of Opportunity & Poll Results and Conclusions


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

There is an old saying that goes make hay when the son shines.  That makes an important point for metal detecting.   There are times when the window of opportunity opens and the conditions are just right and there is treasure everywhere.  The thing to know is that the same window of opportunity can slam shut just as quickly as it opened.  The window can slam shut in hours or even minutes.

I posted what Clint L. told about one of those times when there was a carpet of treasure in my 5/7/14 post.  He told about when the long shore currents uncovered hundreds of coins.  If you haven't been lucky enough to stumble onto one of those rare events, you might find it hard to believe.  I understand that, but there are times like Clint described, rare as they are, when it seems there are more targets than you can dig.  That is how thick the targets can be.

In my years I've run into about a half dozen times when there were so many targets that I couldn't recover them in a few hours.  I've told about at least one of those times when in a four hour period I picked up over twenty dollars in face value of quarters alone.  That doesn't count other coins or targets.  That was in the shallow water and I quit after four hours and came back the next day and worked the same area again for four hours with very similar results. 

It all came to an end though when I was working the water the second day and as I got ready to quit for the day, even though I was far from cleaning it all out, and the sky got dark, the wind changed, the waves picked up, and that changed everything.  When I returned the next day, it was all gone.  The carpet of targets had disappeared.  That is the way it works some times.

When I told the guy that made my detector, he said I shouldn't have quit until I got it all.  He was right.

There was much more to be found.  What I should have done is worked as fast as I could as long as I could until it was cleaned out.  I only put in two four-hour days, and I knew there was a lot left.  I know I didn't get near half of it.   I should have dug as fast as I could and worked as long as I could until it was cleaned out or the window closed.   I shouldn't have been so casual.  I should have known that the window of opportunity would close, and it did - way before I had picked up anywhere near all the targets.

That is the lesson I learned and want to pass along today.   There are those rare opportunities.  They might only come along every few years, but they do happen, and when they happen you need to be ready to make the most of it. 

Those rare events don't always come after a hurricane or big storm.  The one I just described above was not after a big storm.  That is something to remember.

Some of those that I've seen have been after hurricanes though.

I'd say I've encountered about six of those rare events over about thirty years.   Some are bigger and better than others, but it is truly something to experience when it does happen.

The carpet of targets that I just described I had pretty much to myself too.  I didn't see anyone else working that area at the time.  There was a big cut, but it wasn't the biggest cut I'd ever seen by far, but it was in the right place, and the results were amazing.  You seldom see a carpet of targets where the targets are so thick that you are temped to quit detecting and start scooping, but you need to realize that it does happen and it can all disappear as quickly as it appeared.

The thing that gives you the best chance of discovering one of those rare events, is being in the field a lot.  The more you are out there the better your chances will be.  You also need to be very aware of beach conditions.  That will help you to make the most of your time and give you the best chance of hitting those rare events.  That is one reason I do this blog.  If you keep on top of conditions as much as possible, you will be able to pick your times more effectively and be in the best position to be there when the window of opportunity opens.



The most recent poll has concluded and the results are in.

The most obvious thing is that for the first half of 2014, the most favorite find for most people has been modern jewelry (42%).   That isn't at all surprising given that we haven't had good beach conditions for finding older things. 

One thing you have to remember about my polls is that some people who live and detect outside of the Treasure Coast and Florida are included.

The second most favorite find this year has been US coins (19%).  I've shown some nice coins that have been dug this year.

Third was the "other" category (16%) which can include anything that isn't listed, such as foreign coins other than treasure coins, tokens, etc. etc. 

Next were US relics or artifacts.  I've posted some of those this year too.  A previous blog poll showed that a good number of readers have been working inland sites. 

Only two people reported finding a treasure coin as their favorite find, and two a shipwreck artifact as their favorite find this year.

One of the things I am most interested in looking at when I conduct a poll on finds, is how my beach conditions ratings match the finds that are made.  This poll seems to me to validate my beach conditions ratings.  The beach conditions ratings in 2014 so far have mostly been "poor."  Since the ratings are meant to give an idea of the chances of finding old treasure coins and artifacts, they seem to have been fairly accurate.  Conditions have routinely been poor and there have been few of that type of find.

I did a poll back after Sandy, and then we saw that good numbers of treasure items were found in a relatively short period of time -  much more than have been found all of this year.  Again, that supports my ratings, which were up to at least a 3 for a good number of days during and after Sandy.

Overall, I think the poll was very helpful and generally supported what I have been saying in this blog.  I'm pleased with the extent to which my conditions ratings are reflected in reported finds.  I'm still working to further refine my beach conditions rating system.  

You probably realize that when I don't post a beach conditions rating, that means that there is no significant change.  I get tired of posting "poor" ratings for weeks on end, and that has been how it has been this year.  If I see that there is sufficient reason to post an upgrade, I'll certainly do that.


The one thing I'm watching right now is the predicted six foot surf for Monday and Tuesday.  The high tides are still pretty high too.  The only problem is the predicted wind and surf direction, which I wish was going to be more from the North.


I noticed that the blog hit counter now shows over 3/4 million hits.

At the end of this post are the raw poll results.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net


Modern jewelry.
  33 (42%)
 
US coin.
  15 (19%)
 
Shipwreck cob or treasure coin.
  2 (2%)
 
Spanish shipwreck artifact.
  2 (2%)
 
US relic or artifact
  9 (11%)
 
Non-metallic find.
  4 (5%)
 
Other
  13 (16%)