Saturday, November 4, 2017

11/4/17 Report - How to Find Older Coins. Metal Detector Sandals. Big Money in Old News.


Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.


Tired of finding zinc pennies? Want to find older coins and items like those shown above?  These were found at one site a couple days ago.

You know what they say about insanity -  it is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.  Your finds are the result of what you do or don't do.  You might want to try something different.

I often consider different ways of finding things.  If you've been reading this blog very long, you know that one other method I've talked about is sifting.  That is the way the archaeologists do it.

It isn't easy, and it is time consuming, but if you select the right location, it can be worthwhile.

Back in the old days there was what was called the Merkitch sifter.  It was a sifter that you pushed or pulled through the sand like a lawn mower.  I made one myself and used it on the beaches down south.  It worked, but it wasn't easy.

One reader of this blog sifts land sites.  Above you can see what he found on one hunt a couple of days ago.  How long has it been since you found coins like that?

Here is what he had to say.

I know sometimes you like to show finds that were unearthed in unconventional ways. I found these coins and marbles yesterday with a sifter on the mainland. The coins I find with the sifter almost never look as nice as these, since I am usually in high trash areas and the coins have been impacted by another metal, usually iron. However, at this particular site the layer of trash was very distinct and the coins were below in nice sandy soil. By my estimate, the half dollar was 3-4 inches down in an area that I'd been over numerous times with a detector.  It was one of my better sifting days for sure.

I still intend to get you a thorough accounting of my first sifting lot. The results were astounding to me. It will take a while to take the photos and write up, but I will get to it...


Sifting doesn't mean that you can't or shouldn't use a metal detector.  In this case, the detectorist had been over the same spot numerous times with a detector.  The coins were terribly deep, but he missed those coins when he used his detector.  There was a layer of trash over the coins.  

You can go over an area numerous times and continue to find things you missed the first time.  I've outlined a multiple-step approach to hunting such sites.  One thing you should do is change the direction you walk when you go over an area again.

The detector might miss certain targets, but it will still help you identify areas that you might want to sift.  There is little reason to take the time to sift an area where you are convinced there will be nothing.  There are other areas, however, where there was a lot of activity, perhaps a lot of trash, but some indication that there might be deeper targets.

You'll also come up with some non-metallic targets when you sift.  Notice the nice old clay marble. 

Those are some nice finds.  Thanks for the photo and email!

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Sandals With Built-In Metal Detector Coil.
Source: Popular Mechanics (See link below)
This is half serious, but to me, mostly funny.  These sandals and the control box you wear on your ankle detect metal.  The Popular Mechanics article says, We were also disappointed at the sandal's rather weak metal-detecting strength. Despite the claim of a two-foot range, you pretty much have to bring metal objects right up against the sole of the foot for them to work. This is especially true with smaller objects, such as coins and paper clips. It had a slightly easier time picking the larger items we tested it with, such as pliers and scissors. But if you're looking for lost wedding rings and extra quarters, it's not the best solution.

What would you expect?  At least somebody was thinking - just not too well.  You would look weird if you tried to grid an area by dragging one foot around.

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There's money in old news.  Four old newspapers containing accounts of the wrecking of the 1715 Fleet, the first published in November of 1715, received an auction bid of over four thousand dollars in the recently concluded Sedwick auction.

Here is the lot description directly from the auction catalog.

Unique set of newspapers with accounts on the sinking and salvage of the Spanish 1715 Treasure Fleet, consisting of four issues of The Post Boy (London) from 1715-16. 

Four very rare, complete issues of The Post Boy, a major London newspaper, from November 19, December 8 and 19, 1715 and July 3, 1716, each issue a single 14” x 8” sheet (“broadsheet”) of high-quality rag stock printed on both sides, and in Fine to Very Fine condition. In all probability these papers are the only ones in private hands. 

These four historic newspapers provide accounts of the legendary disaster and Spain’s frantic attempts to recover the hundreds of millions of dollars of gold and silver coins and precious jewels carried by eleven Spanish galleons, accompanied by a French warship that was the only ship to escape the hurricane on July 30, 1715, as the treasure-laden Fleet attempted to sail from Cuba to Spain. Hundreds of seamen and passengers drowned in the vicious storm with the survivors going to St. Augustine or Havana. Although much of the treasure was salvaged over the next few years—and present-day salvors have uncovered millions of dollars in coins and jewels—more treasure remains unclaimed in the Atlantic Ocean off the east coast of Florida. Several whole ships have yet to be found. 

The first report of the disaster in the November 19, 1715 issue reads: “Letters from the Havana, of the 17th of September, advise that the Flotilla, consisting of Ten Ships, met with such a violent Storm, upon the 31st of July, that they were forced to run ashoar upon the Coasts of Florida, 50 Leagues from Cape S. Augustin, and 20 from Cape Canaveral; and that only one Ship, v.z. the Flying-Hart, escaped: That upon this News, several Ships were immediately sent from the Havana to fish up the Gold and Silver; that good Part of it was already recover’d and particularly that on board the Urza de Lima; and that it was hoped, most of the rest would likewise be got up. They add, that 4 or 500 Men were drown’d, and among them several Passengers. This News was brought to Rochelle by the S. Francis, whose Cargo is very rich, consisting of 500000 Pieces of Eight besides Merchandizes.” 

Further details from the December 8 issue are more positive (possibly to buoy public opinion on the disaster). Some of the reporting stated: “We have receiv’d better News concerning the Flota of New Spain…that only two Ships of it were cast away; Some others were indeed run aground upon the Coast of Florida; but all the Gold and Silver, and most of the Merchandizes were taken out of them.” The King then sent four ships to Florida, “…and shall take on board those of the Flota, which amount to 12 Millions of Crowns in Gold and Silver only.” 

From the December 17, 1715 issue came the following: “Letters from Cadiz, of the 28th past, say, that all possible Diligence is used in fitting out the Men of War, which are to go and take on board the Cargoes of the Galleons run aground upon the Coast of Florida. By a Vessel arrived from thence they heard, that the Galleons could not be put a float again; but the Chests of Gold and Silver had been all taken up, and great part of the Merchandizes; so that only the Cochineal will be lost.” 

Finally, after just over six months of salvage attempts, the July 3, 1716 issue reported the following gleaned from letters from Havanna at the end of March: “…they had recover’d out of the Capitana, a thousand Chests of Silver, and seven hundred and fifty out of the Admirante (Almiranta), but no Merchandizes out of those two Ships, whereas all those of the Urca de Lima had been fish’d up; that some English Barques being come in Sight of Palmaer, five (Spanish) Barques were fitted out at the Havana to observe them; that nevertheless the English seiz’d some Part of the Plate above specify’d whereupon a Deputy was order’d from the Havana to the Governor of Jamaica to complain of that proceeding….” 

These newspapers represent highly important accounts of the disaster and the subsequent attempts to salvage the enormous treasure Spain and other European countries were counting on for their economies. In our time, ironically, these newspapers are vastly rarer than the treasure itself!


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The surf is going to be around two to four feet for several days.  The tides are nice and high now.

Happy hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net