Saturday, July 20, 2013

7/20/13 Report - Gold Cobs of the 1715 Fleet, Gold Shriner Medal, Fall Sedwick Coin Auction, Florida Statement on Metal Detecting

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1714 Mexican Gold Cob

If the recent gold coin finds from Sebastian has you in the mood for looking at gold cobs, here is a site where you can look at a good selection and even buy some if you want.   Many are graded and slabbed.

Another Nice Find from Fort Pierce Detectorist Rich R.

What did the settlers eat at Jamestown?  Eight hundred pound sturgeon were on the menu, but it appears that in bad times there might also have been cannibalism.

Here is the link to that story.

Concerning the next Sedwick Coins auction I received an email from Frank Daniel Sedwick which said the following.

This is a reminder that we have just one month left to receive your consignment for our first LIVE public FLOOR auction, scheduled for October 30, 2013, at the DoubleTree by Hilton, the only all-suite Downtown Disney® hotel located inside the Walt Disney World Resort® in Orlando, Florida.

Now is your chance to be a part of this inaugural event and take advantage of selling your collection in a fully live venue with an elite group of bidders attending from all over the world. Lot viewing will be on site the day before the auction, and special hotel rates and complimentary food and drinks will be offered during the auction in this exclusive event at an upscale hotel in one of the world's most-visited vacation cities with easy airport access and transportation.

The deadline for consignment to this auction (Treasure, U.S. and World Coin Auction #14) is August 17. Please send your consignments now, or let us know if you would like to meet us in person either at our office in Winter Park, Florida, or at your location, as we are traveling to meet consignors throughout July and early August. Remember, we will be at the ANA's "World's Fair of Money" in Rosemont (Chicago), IL, August 12-17, 2013, where you can discuss and deliver your consignments to us in person.

Please call 407.975.3325 or email us today at

If you're not familiar the DoubleTree.  The DoubleTree is an all-suite hotel.  It is within walking distance to Downtown Disney and has free bus service to the parks.  Downtown Disney is being changed from what you might be familiar with

As I've said before, I often receive questions about the laws concerning metal detecting in Florida.  Lately I've provided the statements of various Florida officials concerning that subject.  Here is one more.

This is a briefing on the metal detecting laws received by Jon M. from Mr. Ken Detzmer. Secretary of State for the State of Florida.

This briefing serves to answer some general questions about the hobby of metal detecting on public lands in Florida and in state waters. It serves as an overview of what is often a complicated issue.    
Generally, metal detecting is allowed on the beach between the high water mark and the toe of the dune and the hobbyist is allowed to keep what is found. There are exceptions to this general rule.  

The use of metal detectors is prohibited on all state park lands, except for coastal parks in the beach zone between the high water mark and toe of the dune.  Park managers have the authority at coastal state parks to further restrict the use of metal detectors and prohibit their use on the beach.  A hobbyist interested in metal detecting should contact the park manager for the specific rules at the park he wishes to visit.  
There are also city, county, and federal exceptions to the general beach rule.  National parks and military installations usually prohibit metal detecting on the beach but not always; again, the park or land manager should be contacted.  A few coastal communities prohibit metal detecting by city or county ordinance; signs are usually posted.  Also, some condominiums, restaurants, and resorts discourage or prohibit metal detecting on the beach in front of their property; local ordinance would authorize these restrictions. Metal detecting rules on public land are not easily explained except that a hobbyist interested in metal detecting should check with the land manager of the property, be it at a state park, city beach, or otherwise.  

Metal detecting in the water is easier to explain. Below the average high tide mark is state sovereign submerged bottomlands where all artifacts belong to the state, and archaeological excavation is not allowed without proper permitting from this office. In most cases permits from the Department of Environmental Protection and the Army Corp of Engineers are also necessary. Digging or destruction of buried archaeological remains without the proper permitting from the Division of Historical Resources is a 3rd degree felony. Since the solitary function of a metal detector is to locate buried metallic items and then recover the buried object by digging, this activity is not allowed in the water.  

Archaeologists are concerned with the integrity of a site, and those employed by the public are charged with managing archaeological sites in public ownership. They are foremost interested in information; what is found on the beach has typically been washed in from offshore and usually will not help explain a site once separated (sometimes by miles) from its context. A shipwreck site found under a beach and newly exposed is a different matter altogether. Shipwreck artifacts like ceramic sherds that wash up on the beach, for example, only tells us that people historically used plates, which is already understood, but ceramics embedded in the context of a wreck site, as part of its total artifact assemblage, could help us understand, date, and identify that specific shipwreck.  

I want to express my appreciation to both Mr. McClarnon, whose statements I posted a couple of days ago, and Secretary Detzner for addressing our concerns and to Jon Morgan for sending me their responses.  

Notice in particular what I've stated before in this blog to the effect that artifacts on the beach have no remaining context and may have come from miles away before being found on the beach.  

As you can see there are more prohibitions expressed against digging than detecting.  Yet they dredge thousands of tons of sand and dump it on the beaches on a nearly continual basis.   Any depressions made by detectorists sifting sand in the ocean, by contrast, lasts no more than a few minutes before nature obliterates any sign of the movement.  Some fish do more.  I can't really figure that out.

I hope that all detectorists will help protect archaeological sites and report any finds that might be significant. As many have said, the situation can be confusing.  If you do not recall Mr. McClarnon's statements that I posted a couple of days ago, you might want to go back and read that.  You might find contradictions in the laws or how they are interpreted and enforced.  That is nothing new.  

Go to the extreme to do the best you can to comply with any and all laws.  Exercise good sense.  Don't make trouble for yourself or the hobby.

My recommendation is always, if there is any question and there is a life guard on duty, they will tell you if you are not allowed to detect that beach.   

On the Treasure Coast it seems we are in for a long period of 1 to 2 foot surf.  The wind will be mostly from the south.   

Low tide today will be around 12:30 PM.

Happy hunting,